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From: Nix <nix-dKoSMcxRz+Te9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Eric Sandeen <sandeen-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"J. Bruce Fields"
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	Bryan Schumaker
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	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6.3 (and other stable branches?)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:59:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87objpx84k.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121026205618.GC8614-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org> (Theodore Ts'o's message of "Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:56:18 -0400")

On 26 Oct 2012, Theodore Ts'o stated:

> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 09:37:08PM +0100, Nix wrote:
>> 
>> I can reproduce this on a small filesystem and stick the image somewhere
>> if that would be of any use to anyone. (If I'm very lucky, merely making
>> this offer will make the problem go away. :} )
>
> I'm not sure the image is going to be that useful.  What we really
> need to do is to get a reliable reproduction of what _you_ are seeing.
>
> It's clear from Eric's experiments that journal_checksum is dangerous.
> 
> That's why one of the things I asked you to do when you had time was
> to see if you could reproduce the problem you are seeing w/o
> nobarrier,journal_checksum,journal_async_commit.

OK. Will do tomorrow.

> The other experiment that would be really useful if you could do is to
> try to apply these two patches which I sent earlier this week:
>
> [PATCH 1/2] ext4: revert "jbd2: don't write superblock when if its empty
> [PATCH 2/2] ext4: fix I/O error when unmounting an ro file system
>
> ... and see if they make a difference.

As of tomorrow I'll be able to reboot without causing a riot: I'll test
it then. (Sorry for the delay :( )

>                                               So I really don't want
> to push these patches to Linus until I get confirmation that they make
> a difference to *somebody*.

Agreed.

This isn't the first time that journal_checksum has proven problematic.
It's a shame that we're stuck between two error-inducing stools here...

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-26 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87objupjlr.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix>
     [not found] ` <20121023013343.GB6370@fieldses.org>
     [not found]   ` <87mwzdnuww.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix>
     [not found]     ` <20121023143019.GA3040@fieldses.org>
     [not found]       ` <874nllxi7e.fsf_-_@spindle.srvr.nix>
     [not found]         ` <874nllxi7e.fsf_-_-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-23 20:57           ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6.3 (and other stable branches?) Nix
2012-10-23 22:19             ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-23 22:47               ` Nix
2012-10-23 23:16                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-23 23:06               ` Nix
2012-10-23 23:28                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-23 23:34                   ` Nix
2012-10-24  0:57               ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24 20:17                 ` Jan Kara
2012-10-26 15:25                   ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24 19:13               ` Jannis Achstetter
2012-10-24 21:31                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-24 22:05                   ` Jannis Achstetter
2012-10-24 23:47                   ` Nix
2012-10-25 17:02                   ` Felipe Contreras
     [not found]             ` <87pq48nbyz.fsf_-_-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24  1:13               ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24  4:15                 ` Nix
2012-10-24  4:27                   ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24  5:23                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-24  7:00                       ` Hugh Dickins
2012-10-24 11:46                         ` Nix
2012-10-24 11:45                       ` Nix
2012-10-24 17:22                       ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24 19:49                       ` Nix
2012-10-24 19:54                         ` Nix
2012-10-24 20:30                         ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24 20:34                           ` Nix
2012-10-24 20:45                         ` Nix
2012-10-24 21:08                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-24 23:27                           ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6 (when rebooting during umount) Nix
2012-10-24 23:42                             ` Nix
2012-10-25  1:10                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25  1:45                               ` Nix
2012-10-25 14:12                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25 14:15                                   ` Nix
2012-10-25 17:39                                     ` Nix
2012-10-25 11:06                               ` Nix
2012-10-26  0:22                               ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6 (when rebooting during umount) (possibly blockdev / arcmsr at fault??) Nix
2012-10-26 20:35             ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6.3 (and other stable branches?) Eric Sandeen
2012-10-26 20:37               ` Nix
     [not found]                 ` <87wqydx957.fsf-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-26 20:56                   ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                     ` <20121026205618.GC8614-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-26 20:59                       ` Nix [this message]
     [not found]                         ` <87objpx84k.fsf-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-26 21:15                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-26 21:19                             ` Nix
     [not found]                               ` <87haphx76u.fsf-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-27  0:22                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-27 12:45                                   ` Nix
2012-10-27 17:55                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-27 18:47                                       ` Nix
2012-10-27 21:19                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-27 21:21                                           ` Nix
2012-10-27 21:23                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-27 21:29                                               ` Nix
2012-10-27 21:34                                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-27 21:40                                                   ` Nix
     [not found]                                                   ` <09758CEA-74B5-48D0-8075-BB723A2CABBB@dilger.ca>
2012-10-29  2:09                                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-27 22:42                                           ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-29  1:00                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-29  1:04                                               ` Nix
2012-10-29  2:24                                               ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-29  2:34                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-29  2:35                                                   ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-29  2:42                                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-27 18:30                                     ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found]                             ` <20121026211542.GE8614-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-27  3:11                               ` Jim Rees
2012-10-27  8:01               ` Testing ext4's journal via simulating a reboot via KVM Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-28  4:23             ` [PATCH] ext4: fix unjournaled inode bitmap modification Eric Sandeen
2012-10-28 13:59               ` Nix
2012-10-29  2:30               ` [PATCH -v3] " Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-29  3:24                 ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-29  5:07                 ` Andreas Dilger
2012-10-29 17:08                 ` Darrick J. Wong
     [not found] <jXsTo-5lW-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <jXBDk-7vn-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <jXNl8-5m5-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <jXNOa-5MR-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <jXPGh-87s-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <jXTJW-4CH-55@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <jXUZj-6mo-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]               ` <jXW53-7CC-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                 ` <jXWeJ-7Lk-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2012-10-24 17:38                   ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6.3 (and other stable branches?) Martin
2012-10-26 20:13                     ` Martin
2012-10-26 20:24                       ` Nix
2012-10-26 20:44                         ` Martin
2012-10-26 20:47                           ` Nix
2012-10-26 21:10                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-26 23:15                         ` Martin

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