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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>, hpa <hpa@zytor.com>,
	dyoung <dyoung@redhat.com>, kexec <kexec@lists.infradead.org>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	eperezma <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <bonzini@redhat.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	John Ogness <jogness@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Lockdep warnings on kexec (virtio_blk, hrtimers)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:23:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pllv90ow.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z1wfF6NJRZh1jROz@fedora>

On Fri, Dec 13 2024 at 19:48, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 12:31:24PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> I'd rather say, that's a kexec problem. On the same instance a loop test
>> of suspend to ram with pm_test=core just works fine. That's equivalent
>> to the kexec scenario. It goes down to syscore_suspend() and skips the
>> actual suspend low level magic. It then resumes with syscore_resume()
>> and brings the machine back up.
>> 
>> That runs for 2 hours now, while the kexec muck dies within 2
>> minutes....
>> 
>> And if you look at the difference of these implementations, you might
>> notice that kexec just implemented some rudimentary version of the
>> actual suspend logic. Based on let's hope it works that way.
>> 
>> This is just insane and should be rewritten to actually reuse the suspend
>> mechanism, which is way better tested than this kexec jump muck.
>
> But kexec is supposed to align with reboot/shutdown, instead of suspend,
> and it is calling ->shutdown() for notifying driver & device.

That's only true for the case where the new kernel takes over.

In the case KEXEC_JUMP=n and kexec_image->preserve_context == true, then
it is supposed to align with suspend/resume and if you look at the code
then it actually mimics suspend/resume in the most dilettanteish way.

It's a patently bad idea to clobber the kernel with kexec jump "fixes"
instead of using the well tested and established suspend/resume
machinery.

All it takes is to:

    1) disable the wakeup logic

    2) provide a mechanism to invoke machine_kexec() instead of the
       actual suspend mechanism.

No?

Thanks

        tglx




  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-13 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-09 14:28 Lockdep warnings on kexec (virtio_blk, hrtimers) David Woodhouse
2024-12-10  1:56 ` Jason Wang
2024-12-11 12:42   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-12-12 11:07     ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-12 13:34       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-12-12 13:46         ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-12 18:04           ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-12-12 19:19             ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-13  0:14               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-12-13  9:31                 ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-13  9:43                   ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-13 10:42                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-12-13 11:09                       ` Ming Lei
2024-12-13 11:31                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-12-13 11:48                           ` Ming Lei
2024-12-13 13:23                             ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2024-12-13 14:07                               ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-13 17:05                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-12-13 17:17                                   ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-13 17:48                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-13 17:32                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-13 19:06                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-13 20:16                                       ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-14  9:57                                         ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-16 12:14                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-13 17:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2024-12-13 13:17                           ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-13 11:12                       ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-13 11:33                         ` Ming Lei
2024-12-13 11:20                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-13 13:13                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-12-16 13:20                     ` [PATCH] sched: Prevent rescheduling when interrupts are disabled Thomas Gleixner
2024-12-16 17:41                       ` David Woodhouse
2024-12-12 11:12     ` Lockdep warnings on kexec (virtio_blk, hrtimers) Ming Lei

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