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From: Jannis Achstetter <jannis_achstetter@web.de>
To: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6.3 (and other stable branches?)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:13:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <k69ejs$vt2$1@ger.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121023221913.GC28626@thunk.org>

Am 24.10.2012 00:19, schrieb Theodore Ts'o:
> [...]
> The reason why the problem happens rarely is that the effect of the
> buggy commit is that if the journal's starting block is zero, we fail
> to truncate the journal when we unmount the file system.  This can
> happen if we mount and then unmount the file system fairly quickly,
> before the log has a chance to wrap.  After the first time this has
> happened, it's not a disaster, since when we replay the journal, we'll
> just replay some extra transactions.  But if this happens twice, the
> oldest valid transaction will still not have gotten updated, but some
> of the newer transactions from the last mount session will have gotten
> written by the very latest transacitons, and when we then try to do
> the extra transaction replays, the metadata blocks can end up getting
> very scrambled indeed.
> [...]

As a "normal linux user" I'm interested in the practical things to do
now to avoid data loss. I'm running several systems with 3.6.2 and ext4.
Fearing loss of data:
- Is there a way to see whether the journal of a specific partition has
been wrapped (since mounting) so that umounting and mounting (or doing a
reboot to downgrade the kernel) is safe?
- Is there a way to "force" a journal-wrap? Run any
filesystem-benchmark? Which one with what parameters? Or is it unwise
since I might even further corrupt data if I hit the case already?
- Is it wise to umount now and run e2fsck or might I corrupt my files
just by umounting now if the journal hasn't wrapped yet?
- How do you define "fairly quickly"? Of course servers run 24/7 but I
might be using my PC 2-5 hrs a day... Is that a "reboot to soon after
booting"?
- Any more advice you can give to the ordinary user to avoid
fs-corruption? Don't shut down machines for some days? Better down- or
upgrade the kernel?

Best regards,
	Jannis Achstetter



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-24 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87objupjlr.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix>
     [not found] ` <20121023013343.GB6370@fieldses.org>
     [not found]   ` <87mwzdnuww.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix>
     [not found]     ` <20121023143019.GA3040@fieldses.org>
     [not found]       ` <874nllxi7e.fsf_-_@spindle.srvr.nix>
     [not found]         ` <874nllxi7e.fsf_-_-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-23 20:57           ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6.3 (and other stable branches?) Nix
2012-10-23 22:19             ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-23 22:47               ` Nix
2012-10-23 23:16                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-23 23:06               ` Nix
2012-10-23 23:28                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-23 23:34                   ` Nix
2012-10-24  0:57               ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24 20:17                 ` Jan Kara
2012-10-26 15:25                   ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24 19:13               ` Jannis Achstetter [this message]
2012-10-24 21:31                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-24 22:05                   ` Jannis Achstetter
2012-10-24 23:47                   ` Nix
2012-10-25 17:02                   ` Felipe Contreras
     [not found]             ` <87pq48nbyz.fsf_-_-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-24  1:13               ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24  4:15                 ` Nix
2012-10-24  4:27                   ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24  5:23                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-24  7:00                       ` Hugh Dickins
2012-10-24 11:46                         ` Nix
2012-10-24 11:45                       ` Nix
2012-10-24 17:22                       ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24 19:49                       ` Nix
2012-10-24 19:54                         ` Nix
2012-10-24 20:30                         ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-24 20:34                           ` Nix
2012-10-24 20:45                         ` Nix
2012-10-24 21:08                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-24 23:27                           ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6 (when rebooting during umount) Nix
2012-10-24 23:42                             ` Nix
2012-10-25  1:10                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25  1:45                               ` Nix
2012-10-25 14:12                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-25 14:15                                   ` Nix
2012-10-25 17:39                                     ` Nix
2012-10-25 11:06                               ` Nix
2012-10-26  0:22                               ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6 (when rebooting during umount) (possibly blockdev / arcmsr at fault??) Nix
2012-10-26 20:35             ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6.3 (and other stable branches?) Eric Sandeen
2012-10-26 20:37               ` Nix
     [not found]                 ` <87wqydx957.fsf-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-26 20:56                   ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                     ` <20121026205618.GC8614-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-26 20:59                       ` Nix
     [not found]                         ` <87objpx84k.fsf-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-26 21:15                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-26 21:19                             ` Nix
     [not found]                               ` <87haphx76u.fsf-AdTWujXS48Mg67Zj9sPl2A@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-27  0:22                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-27 12:45                                   ` Nix
2012-10-27 17:55                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-27 18:47                                       ` Nix
2012-10-27 21:19                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-27 21:21                                           ` Nix
2012-10-27 21:23                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-27 21:29                                               ` Nix
2012-10-27 21:34                                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-27 21:40                                                   ` Nix
     [not found]                                                   ` <09758CEA-74B5-48D0-8075-BB723A2CABBB@dilger.ca>
2012-10-29  2:09                                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-27 22:42                                           ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-29  1:00                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-29  1:04                                               ` Nix
2012-10-29  2:24                                               ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-29  2:34                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-29  2:35                                                   ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-29  2:42                                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-27 18:30                                     ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found]                             ` <20121026211542.GE8614-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-27  3:11                               ` Jim Rees
2012-10-27  8:01               ` Testing ext4's journal via simulating a reboot via KVM Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-28  4:23             ` [PATCH] ext4: fix unjournaled inode bitmap modification Eric Sandeen
2012-10-28 13:59               ` Nix
2012-10-29  2:30               ` [PATCH -v3] " Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-29  3:24                 ` Eric Sandeen
2012-10-29  5:07                 ` Andreas Dilger
2012-10-29 17:08                 ` Darrick J. Wong
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     [not found]         ` <jXTJW-4CH-55@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]                 ` <jXWeJ-7Lk-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2012-10-24 17:38                   ` Apparent serious progressive ext4 data corruption bug in 3.6.3 (and other stable branches?) Martin
2012-10-26 20:13                     ` Martin
2012-10-26 20:24                       ` Nix
2012-10-26 20:44                         ` Martin
2012-10-26 20:47                           ` Nix
2012-10-26 21:10                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-26 23:15                         ` Martin

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