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Wong" , Dominique Martinet , Christian Schoenebeck , linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org, David Howells , Chris Mason , Andreas Dilger , Hans de Goede , Marc Dionne , codalist@coda.cs.cmu.edu, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, Mike Marshall , Paulo Alcantara , Amir Goldstein , Eric Van Hensbergen , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, Andreas Gruenbacher , Miklos Szeredi , Richard Weinberger , Mark Fasheh , Hugh Dickins , Benjamin Coddington , Tyler Hicks , cluster-devel@redhat.com, coda@cs.cmu.edu, linux-mm@kvack.org, Gao Xiang , Iurii Zaikin , Namjae Jeon , Trond Myklebust , Xi Ruoyao , Shyam Prasad N , ecryptfs@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook , ocfs2-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org, Josef Bacik , Tom Talpey , Tejun Heo , Yue Hu , Alexander Viro , Ronnie Sahlberg , David Sterba , Jaegeuk Kim , ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, Xiubo Li , Ilya Dryomov , OGAWA Hirofumi , Jan Harkes , linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Theodore Ts'o , Joseph Qi , Greg Kroah-Hartman , v9fs@lists.linux.dev, ntfs3@lists.linux.dev, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Steve French , Sergey Senozhatsky , Luis Chamberlain , Jeffle Xu , devel@lists.orangefs.org, Anna Schumaker , Jan Kara , Bo b Peterson , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , Sungjong Seo , Bruno Haible , linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, Joel Becker Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: linux-f2fs-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net On Wed, 2023-09-20 at 10:41 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote: > > > f1 was last written to *after* f2 was last written to. If the timesta= mp of f1 > > > is then lower than the timestamp of f2, timestamps are fundamentally = broken. > > > = > > > Many things in user-space depend on timestamps, such as build system > > > centered around 'make', but also 'find ... -newer ...'. > > > = > > = > > = > > What does breakage with make look like in this situation? The "fuzz" > > here is going to be on the order of a jiffy. The typical case for make > > timestamp comparisons is comparing source files vs. a build target. If > > those are being written nearly simultaneously, then that could be an > > issue, but is that a typical behavior? It seems like it would be hard to > > rely on that anyway, esp. given filesystems like NFS that can do lazy > > writeback. > > = > > One of the operating principles with this series is that timestamps can > > be of varying granularity between different files. Note that Linux > > already violates this assumption when you're working across filesystems > > of different types. > > = > > As to potential fixes if this is a real problem: > > = > > I don't really want to put this behind a mount or mkfs option (a'la > > relatime, etc.), but that is one possibility. > > = > > I wonder if it would be feasible to just advance the coarse-grained > > current_time whenever we end up updating a ctime with a fine-grained > > timestamp? It might produce some inode write amplification. Files that > = > Less than ideal imho. > = > If this risks breaking existing workloads by enabling it unconditionally > and there isn't a clear way to detect and handle these situations > without risk of regression then we should move this behind a mount > option. > = > So how about the following: > = > From cb14add421967f6e374eb77c36cc4a0526b10d17 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Christian Brauner > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:00:08 +0200 > Subject: [PATCH] vfs: move multi-grain timestamps behind a mount option > = > While we initially thought we can do this unconditionally it turns out > that this might break existing workloads that rely on timestamps in very > specific ways and we always knew this was a possibility. Move > multi-grain timestamps behind a vfs mount option. > = > Signed-off-by: Christian Brauner > --- > =A0fs/fs_context.c | 18 ++++++++++++++++++ > =A0fs/inode.c | 4 ++-- > =A0fs/proc_namespace.c | 1 + > =A0fs/stat.c | 2 +- > =A0include/linux/fs.h | 4 +++- > =A05 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) > = > diff --git a/fs/fs_context.c b/fs/fs_context.c > index a0ad7a0c4680..dd4dade0bb9e 100644 > --- a/fs/fs_context.c > +++ b/fs/fs_context.c > @@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ static const struct constant_table common_set_sb_flag[]= =3D { > =A0 { "mand", SB_MANDLOCK }, > =A0 { "ro", SB_RDONLY }, > =A0 { "sync", SB_SYNCHRONOUS }, > + { "mgtime", SB_MGTIME }, > =A0 { }, > =A0}; > =A0 > = > @@ -52,18 +53,32 @@ static const struct constant_table common_clear_sb_fl= ag[] =3D { > =A0 { "nolazytime", SB_LAZYTIME }, > =A0 { "nomand", SB_MANDLOCK }, > =A0 { "rw", SB_RDONLY }, > + { "nomgtime", SB_MGTIME }, > =A0 { }, > =A0}; > =A0 > = > +static inline int check_mgtime(unsigned int token, const struct fs_conte= xt *fc) > +{ > + if (token !=3D SB_MGTIME) > + return 0; > + if (!(fc->fs_type->fs_flags & FS_MGTIME)) > + return invalf(fc, "Filesystem doesn't support multi-grain timestamps"); > + return 0; > +} > + > =A0/* > =A0=A0* Check for a common mount option that manipulates s_flags. > =A0=A0*/ > =A0static int vfs_parse_sb_flag(struct fs_context *fc, const char *key) > =A0{ > =A0 unsigned int token; > + int ret; > =A0 > = > =A0 token =3D lookup_constant(common_set_sb_flag, key, 0); > =A0 if (token) { > + ret =3D check_mgtime(token, fc); > + if (ret) > + return ret; > =A0 fc->sb_flags |=3D token; > =A0 fc->sb_flags_mask |=3D token; > =A0 return 0; > @@ -71,6 +86,9 @@ static int vfs_parse_sb_flag(struct fs_context *fc, con= st char *key) > =A0 > = > =A0 token =3D lookup_constant(common_clear_sb_flag, key, 0); > =A0 if (token) { > + ret =3D check_mgtime(token, fc); > + if (ret) > + return ret; > =A0 fc->sb_flags &=3D ~token; > =A0 fc->sb_flags_mask |=3D token; > =A0 return 0; > diff --git a/fs/inode.c b/fs/inode.c > index 54237f4242ff..fd1a2390aaa3 100644 > --- a/fs/inode.c > +++ b/fs/inode.c > @@ -2141,7 +2141,7 @@ EXPORT_SYMBOL(current_mgtime); > =A0 > = > =A0static struct timespec64 current_ctime(struct inode *inode) > =A0{ > - if (is_mgtime(inode)) > + if (IS_MGTIME(inode)) > =A0 return current_mgtime(inode); > =A0 return current_time(inode); > =A0} > @@ -2588,7 +2588,7 @@ struct timespec64 inode_set_ctime_current(struct in= ode *inode) > =A0 now =3D current_time(inode); > =A0 > = > =A0 /* Just copy it into place if it's not multigrain */ > - if (!is_mgtime(inode)) { > + if (!IS_MGTIME(inode)) { > =A0 inode_set_ctime_to_ts(inode, now); > =A0 return now; > =A0 } > diff --git a/fs/proc_namespace.c b/fs/proc_namespace.c > index 250eb5bf7b52..08f5bf4d2c6c 100644 > --- a/fs/proc_namespace.c > +++ b/fs/proc_namespace.c > @@ -49,6 +49,7 @@ static int show_sb_opts(struct seq_file *m, struct supe= r_block *sb) > =A0 { SB_DIRSYNC, ",dirsync" }, > =A0 { SB_MANDLOCK, ",mand" }, > =A0 { SB_LAZYTIME, ",lazytime" }, > + { SB_MGTIME, ",mgtime" }, > =A0 { 0, NULL } > =A0 }; > =A0 const struct proc_fs_opts *fs_infop; > diff --git a/fs/stat.c b/fs/stat.c > index 6e60389d6a15..2f18dd5de18b 100644 > --- a/fs/stat.c > +++ b/fs/stat.c > @@ -90,7 +90,7 @@ void generic_fillattr(struct mnt_idmap *idmap, u32 requ= est_mask, > =A0 stat->size =3D i_size_read(inode); > =A0 stat->atime =3D inode->i_atime; > =A0 > = > - if (is_mgtime(inode)) { > + if (IS_MGTIME(inode)) { > =A0 fill_mg_cmtime(stat, request_mask, inode); > =A0 } else { > =A0 stat->mtime =3D inode->i_mtime; > diff --git a/include/linux/fs.h b/include/linux/fs.h > index 4aeb3fa11927..03e415fb3a7c 100644 > --- a/include/linux/fs.h > +++ b/include/linux/fs.h > @@ -1114,6 +1114,7 @@ extern int send_sigurg(struct fown_struct *fown); > =A0#define SB_NODEV BIT(2) /* Disallow access to device special fi= les */ > =A0#define SB_NOEXEC BIT(3) /* Disallow program execution */ > =A0#define SB_SYNCHRONOUS BIT(4) /* Writes are synced at once */ > +#define SB_MGTIME BIT(5) /* Use multi-grain timestamps */ > =A0#define SB_MANDLOCK BIT(6) /* Allow mandatory locks on an FS */ > =A0#define SB_DIRSYNC BIT(7) /* Directory modifications are synchron= ous */ > =A0#define SB_NOATIME BIT(10) /* Do not update access times. */ > @@ -2105,6 +2106,7 @@ static inline bool sb_rdonly(const struct super_blo= ck *sb) { return sb->s_flags > =A0 ((inode)->i_flags & (S_SYNC|S_DIRSYNC))) > =A0#define IS_MANDLOCK(inode) __IS_FLG(inode, SB_MANDLOCK) > =A0#define IS_NOATIME(inode) __IS_FLG(inode, SB_RDONLY|SB_NOATIME) > +#define IS_MGTIME(inode) __IS_FLG(inode, SB_MGTIME) > =A0#define IS_I_VERSION(inode) __IS_FLG(inode, SB_I_VERSION) > =A0 > = > =A0#define IS_NOQUOTA(inode) ((inode)->i_flags & S_NOQUOTA) > @@ -2366,7 +2368,7 @@ struct file_system_type { > =A0=A0*/ > =A0static inline bool is_mgtime(const struct inode *inode) > =A0{ > - return inode->i_sb->s_type->fs_flags & FS_MGTIME; > + return inode->i_sb->s_flags & SB_MGTIME; > =A0} > =A0 > = > =A0extern struct dentry *mount_bdev(struct file_system_type *fs_type, The mount option looks reasonable. Thanks for throwing together the patch. Maybe in the future we can come up with a way to mitigate the problems and do this unconditionally? Reviewed-by: Jeff Layton _______________________________________________ Linux-f2fs-devel mailing list Linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-f2fs-devel