From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
To: Damien Le Moal <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
<linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [RFC PATCH] f2fs: preserve direct write semantics when buffering is forced
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 17:46:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZBzy7RHlCqmApxUe@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8207efb81cd1e9322ad608d313eb4b4bd5740e80.camel@wdc.com>
On 03/24, Damien Le Moal wrote:
> On Thu, 2023-03-23 at 16:46 -0700, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > On 03/23, Damien Le Moal wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2023-03-23 at 15:14 -0700, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > > On 03/20, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 01:20:04PM +0100, Hans Holmberg wrote:
> > > > > > A) Supporting proper direct writes for zoned block devices
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > be the best, but it is currently not supported (probably for
> > > > > > a good but non-obvious reason). Would it be feasible to
> > > > > > implement proper direct IO?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think why not. In many ways direct writes to zoned
> > > > > devices
> > > > > should be easier than non-direct writes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any comments from the maintainers why the direct I/O writes to
> > > > > zoned
> > > > > devices are disabled? I could not find anything helpful in the
> > > > > comments
> > > > > or commit logs.
> > > >
> > > > The direct IO wants to overwrite the data on the same block
> > > > address,
> > > > while
> > > > zoned device does not support it?
> > >
> > > Surely that is not the case with LFS mode, doesn't it ? Otherwise,
> > > even
> > > buffered overwrites would have an issue.
> >
> > Zoned device only supports LFS mode.
>
> Yes, and that was exactly my point: with LFS mode, O_DIRECT write
> should never overwrite anything. So I do not see why direct writes
> should be handled as buffered writes with zoned devices. Am I missing
> something here ?
That's an easiest way to serialize block allocation and submit_bio when users
are calling buffered writes and direct writes in parallel. :)
I just felt that if we can manage both of them in direct write path along with
buffered write path, we may be able to avoid memcpy.
>
> >
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-24 0:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-20 12:20 [f2fs-dev] [RFC PATCH] f2fs: preserve direct write semantics when buffering is forced Hans Holmberg via Linux-f2fs-devel
[not found] ` <CGME20230220123747epcas2p4c72ace14d10031df7aa116999ad5fe25@epcms2p8>
2023-02-22 11:08 ` Yonggil Song
2023-03-20 13:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-23 22:14 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-23 23:02 ` Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2023-03-23 23:46 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-24 0:06 ` Damien Le Moal via Linux-f2fs-devel
2023-03-24 0:46 ` Jaegeuk Kim [this message]
2023-03-26 23:39 ` hch
2023-06-05 11:56 ` Hans Holmberg via Linux-f2fs-devel
2023-06-05 19:36 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2023-03-23 22:37 ` Jaegeuk Kim
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