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Wong" , Dominique Martinet , Christian Schoenebeck , Dave Chinner , David Howells , Chris Mason , Andreas Dilger , Hans de Goede , Marc Dionne , codalist@coda.cs.cmu.edu, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, Mike Marshall , Paulo Alcantara , linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, Eric Van Hensbergen , Andreas Gruenbacher , Miklos Szeredi , Richard Weinberger , Mark Fasheh , Hugh Dickins , Tyler Hicks , cluster-devel@redhat.com, coda@cs.cmu.edu, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Ilya Dryomov , Iurii Zaikin , Namjae Jeon , Trond Myklebust , Shyam Prasad N , ecryptfs@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook , ocfs2-devel@lists.linux.dev, Anthony Iliopoulos , Josef Bacik , Tom Talpey , Tejun Heo , Yue Hu , Alexander Viro , linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, David Sterba , Jaegeuk Kim , ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, Xiubo Li , Gao Xiang , OGAWA Hirofumi , Jan Harkes , Christian Brauner , linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Theodore Ts'o , Joseph Qi , Greg Kroah-Hartman , v9fs@lists.linux.dev, ntfs3@lists.linux.dev, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ronnie Sahlberg , Steve French , Sergey Senozhatsky , Luis Chamberlain , Jeffle Xu , devel@lists.orangefs.org, Anna Schumaker , Jan Kara , Bob Peterson , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , Sungjong Seo , linux-erofs@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, Joel Becker Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: linux-f2fs-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net On Wed, 2023-08-02 at 21:35 +0200, Jan Kara wrote: > On Tue 25-07-23 10:58:15, Jeff Layton wrote: > > The VFS always uses coarse-grained timestamps when updating the ctime > > and mtime after a change. This has the benefit of allowing filesystems > > to optimize away a lot metadata updates, down to around 1 per jiffy, > > even when a file is under heavy writes. > > > > Unfortunately, this has always been an issue when we're exporting via > > NFSv3, which relies on timestamps to validate caches. A lot of changes > > can happen in a jiffy, so timestamps aren't sufficient to help the > > client decide to invalidate the cache. Even with NFSv4, a lot of > > exported filesystems don't properly support a change attribute and are > > subject to the same problems with timestamp granularity. Other > > applications have similar issues with timestamps (e.g backup > > applications). > > > > If we were to always use fine-grained timestamps, that would improve the > > situation, but that becomes rather expensive, as the underlying > > filesystem would have to log a lot more metadata updates. > > > > What we need is a way to only use fine-grained timestamps when they are > > being actively queried. > > > > POSIX generally mandates that when the the mtime changes, the ctime must > > also change. The kernel always stores normalized ctime values, so only > > the first 30 bits of the tv_nsec field are ever used. > > > > Use the 31st bit of the ctime tv_nsec field to indicate that something > > has queried the inode for the mtime or ctime. When this flag is set, > > on the next mtime or ctime update, the kernel will fetch a fine-grained > > timestamp instead of the usual coarse-grained one. > > > > Filesytems can opt into this behavior by setting the FS_MGTIME flag in > > the fstype. Filesystems that don't set this flag will continue to use > > coarse-grained timestamps. > > > > Later patches will convert individual filesystems to use the new > > infrastructure. > > > > Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton > > --- > > fs/inode.c | 98 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------- > > fs/stat.c | 41 +++++++++++++++++++++-- > > include/linux/fs.h | 45 +++++++++++++++++++++++-- > > 3 files changed, 151 insertions(+), 33 deletions(-) > > > > diff --git a/fs/inode.c b/fs/inode.c > > index d4ab92233062..369621e7faf5 100644 > > --- a/fs/inode.c > > +++ b/fs/inode.c > > @@ -1919,6 +1919,21 @@ int inode_update_time(struct inode *inode, struct timespec64 *time, int flags) > > } > > EXPORT_SYMBOL(inode_update_time); > > > > +/** > > + * current_coarse_time - Return FS time > > + * @inode: inode. > > + * > > + * Return the current coarse-grained time truncated to the time > > + * granularity supported by the fs. > > + */ > > +static struct timespec64 current_coarse_time(struct inode *inode) > > +{ > > + struct timespec64 now; > > + > > + ktime_get_coarse_real_ts64(&now); > > + return timestamp_truncate(now, inode); > > +} > > + > > /** > > * atime_needs_update - update the access time > > * @path: the &struct path to update > > @@ -1952,7 +1967,7 @@ bool atime_needs_update(const struct path *path, struct inode *inode) > > if ((mnt->mnt_flags & MNT_NODIRATIME) && S_ISDIR(inode->i_mode)) > > return false; > > > > - now = current_time(inode); > > + now = current_coarse_time(inode); > > > > if (!relatime_need_update(mnt, inode, now)) > > return false; > > @@ -1986,7 +2001,7 @@ void touch_atime(const struct path *path) > > * We may also fail on filesystems that have the ability to make parts > > * of the fs read only, e.g. subvolumes in Btrfs. > > */ > > - now = current_time(inode); > > + now = current_coarse_time(inode); > > inode_update_time(inode, &now, S_ATIME); > > __mnt_drop_write(mnt); > > skip_update: > > There are also calls in fs/smb/client/file.c:cifs_readpage_worker() and in > fs/ocfs2/file.c:ocfs2_update_inode_atime() that should probably use > current_coarse_time() to avoid needless querying of fine grained > timestamps. But see below... > Technically, they already devolve to current_coarse_time anyway, but changing them would allow them to skip the fstype flag check, but I like your idea below better anyway. > > @@ -2072,6 +2087,56 @@ int file_remove_privs(struct file *file) > > } > > EXPORT_SYMBOL(file_remove_privs); > > > > +/** > > + * current_mgtime - Return FS time (possibly fine-grained) > > + * @inode: inode. > > + * > > + * Return the current time truncated to the time granularity supported by > > + * the fs, as suitable for a ctime/mtime change. If the ctime is flagged > > + * as having been QUERIED, get a fine-grained timestamp. > > + */ > > +static struct timespec64 current_mgtime(struct inode *inode) > > +{ > > + struct timespec64 now; > > + atomic_long_t *pnsec = (atomic_long_t *)&inode->__i_ctime.tv_nsec; > > + long nsec = atomic_long_read(pnsec); > > + > > + if (nsec & I_CTIME_QUERIED) { > > + ktime_get_real_ts64(&now); > > + } else { > > + struct timespec64 ctime; > > + > > + ktime_get_coarse_real_ts64(&now); > > + > > + /* > > + * If we've recently fetched a fine-grained timestamp > > + * then the coarse-grained one may still be earlier than the > > + * existing one. Just keep the existing ctime if so. > > + */ > > + ctime = inode_get_ctime(inode); > > + if (timespec64_compare(&ctime, &now) > 0) > > + now = ctime; > > + } > > + > > + return timestamp_truncate(now, inode); > > +} > > + > > +/** > > + * current_time - Return timestamp suitable for ctime update > > + * @inode: inode to eventually be updated > > + * > > + * Return the current time, which is usually coarse-grained but may be fine > > + * grained if the filesystem uses multigrain timestamps and the existing > > + * ctime was queried since the last update. > > + */ > > +struct timespec64 current_time(struct inode *inode) > > +{ > > + if (is_mgtime(inode)) > > + return current_mgtime(inode); > > + return current_coarse_time(inode); > > +} > > +EXPORT_SYMBOL(current_time); > > + > > So if you modify current_time() to handle multigrain timestamps the code > will be still racy. In particular fill_mg_cmtime() can race with > inode_set_ctime_current() like: > > fill_mg_cmtime() inode_set_ctime_current() > stat->mtime = inode->i_mtime; > stat->ctime.tv_sec = inode->__i_ctime.tv_sec; > now = current_time(); > /* fetches coarse > * grained timestamp */ > stat->ctime.tv_nsec = atomic_long_fetch_or(I_CTIME_QUERIED, pnsec) & > ~I_CTIME_QUERIED; > inode_set_ctime(inode, now.tv_sec, now.tv_nsec); > > and the information about a need for finegrained timestamp update gets > lost. So what I'd propose is to leave current_time() alone (just always > reporting coarse grained timestamps) and put all the magic into > inode_set_ctime_current() only. There we need something like: > > struct timespec64 inode_set_ctime_current(struct inode *inode) > { > ... variables ... > > nsec = READ_ONCE(inode->__i_ctime.tv_nsec); > if (!(nsec & I_CTIME_QUERIED)) { > now = current_time(inode); > > if (!is_gmtime(inode)) { > inode_set_ctime_to_ts(inode, now); > } else { > /* > * If we've recently fetched a fine-grained > * timestamp then the coarse-grained one may still > * be earlier than the existing one. Just keep the > * existing ctime if so. > */ > ctime = inode_get_ctime(inode); > if (timespec64_compare(&ctime, &now) > 0) > now = ctime; > > /* > * Ctime updates are generally protected by inode > * lock but we could have raced with setting of > * I_CTIME_QUERIED flag. > */ > if (cmpxchg(&inode->__i_ctime.tv_nsec, nsec, > now.tv_nsec) != nsec) > goto fine_grained; > inode->__i_ctime.tv_sec = now.tv_sec; > } > return now; > } > fine_grained: > ktime_get_real_ts64(&now); > inode_set_ctime_to_ts(inode, now); > > return now; > } > > Honza > This is a great idea. I'll rework the series along the lines you suggest. That also answers my earlier question to Christian: I'll just resend the whole series (it's not very big anyway), and I'll include the fill_mg_cmtime prototype change. Cheers, > > static int inode_needs_update_time(struct inode *inode, struct timespec64 *now) > > { > > int sync_it = 0; > > @@ -2480,37 +2545,12 @@ struct timespec64 timestamp_truncate(struct timespec64 t, struct inode *inode) > > } > > EXPORT_SYMBOL(timestamp_truncate); > > > > -/** > > - * current_time - Return FS time > > - * @inode: inode. > > - * > > - * Return the current time truncated to the time granularity supported by > > - * the fs. > > - * > > - * Note that inode and inode->sb cannot be NULL. > > - * Otherwise, the function warns and returns time without truncation. > > - */ > > -struct timespec64 current_time(struct inode *inode) > > -{ > > - struct timespec64 now; > > - > > - ktime_get_coarse_real_ts64(&now); > > - > > - if (unlikely(!inode->i_sb)) { > > - WARN(1, "current_time() called with uninitialized super_block in the inode"); > > - return now; > > - } > > - > > - return timestamp_truncate(now, inode); > > -} > > -EXPORT_SYMBOL(current_time); > > - > > /** > > * inode_set_ctime_current - set the ctime to current_time > > * @inode: inode > > * > > - * Set the inode->i_ctime to the current value for the inode. Returns > > - * the current value that was assigned to i_ctime. > > + * Set the inode->__i_ctime to the current value for the inode. Returns > > + * the current value that was assigned to __i_ctime. > > */ > > struct timespec64 inode_set_ctime_current(struct inode *inode) > > { > > diff --git a/fs/stat.c b/fs/stat.c > > index 062f311b5386..51effd1c2bc2 100644 > > --- a/fs/stat.c > > +++ b/fs/stat.c > > @@ -26,6 +26,37 @@ > > #include "internal.h" > > #include "mount.h" > > > > +/** > > + * fill_mg_cmtime - Fill in the mtime and ctime and flag ctime as QUERIED > > + * @request_mask: STATX_* values requested > > + * @inode: inode from which to grab the c/mtime > > + * @stat: where to store the resulting values > > + * > > + * Given @inode, grab the ctime and mtime out if it and store the result > > + * in @stat. When fetching the value, flag it as queried so the next write > > + * will use a fine-grained timestamp. > > + */ > > +void fill_mg_cmtime(u32 request_mask, struct inode *inode, struct kstat *stat) > > +{ > > + atomic_long_t *pnsec = (atomic_long_t *)&inode->__i_ctime.tv_nsec; > > + > > + /* If neither time was requested, then don't report them */ > > + if (!(request_mask & (STATX_CTIME|STATX_MTIME))) { > > + stat->result_mask &= ~(STATX_CTIME|STATX_MTIME); > > + return; > > + } > > + > > + stat->mtime = inode->i_mtime; > > + stat->ctime.tv_sec = inode->__i_ctime.tv_sec; > > + /* > > + * Atomically set the QUERIED flag and fetch the new value with > > + * the flag masked off. > > + */ > > + stat->ctime.tv_nsec = atomic_long_fetch_or(I_CTIME_QUERIED, pnsec) & > > + ~I_CTIME_QUERIED; > > +} > > +EXPORT_SYMBOL(fill_mg_cmtime); > > + > > /** > > * generic_fillattr - Fill in the basic attributes from the inode struct > > * @idmap: idmap of the mount the inode was found from > > @@ -58,8 +89,14 @@ void generic_fillattr(struct mnt_idmap *idmap, u32 request_mask, > > stat->rdev = inode->i_rdev; > > stat->size = i_size_read(inode); > > stat->atime = inode->i_atime; > > - stat->mtime = inode->i_mtime; > > - stat->ctime = inode_get_ctime(inode); > > + > > + if (is_mgtime(inode)) { > > + fill_mg_cmtime(request_mask, inode, stat); > > + } else { > > + stat->mtime = inode->i_mtime; > > + stat->ctime = inode_get_ctime(inode); > > + } > > + > > stat->blksize = i_blocksize(inode); > > stat->blocks = inode->i_blocks; > > > > diff --git a/include/linux/fs.h b/include/linux/fs.h > > index 42d1434cc427..a0bdbefbf293 100644 > > --- a/include/linux/fs.h > > +++ b/include/linux/fs.h > > @@ -1477,15 +1477,43 @@ static inline bool fsuidgid_has_mapping(struct super_block *sb, > > struct timespec64 current_time(struct inode *inode); > > struct timespec64 inode_set_ctime_current(struct inode *inode); > > > > +/* > > + * Multigrain timestamps > > + * > > + * Conditionally use fine-grained ctime and mtime timestamps when there > > + * are users actively observing them via getattr. The primary use-case > > + * for this is NFS clients that use the ctime to distinguish between > > + * different states of the file, and that are often fooled by multiple > > + * operations that occur in the same coarse-grained timer tick. > > + * > > + * The kernel always keeps normalized struct timespec64 values in the ctime, > > + * which means that only the first 30 bits of the value are used. Use the > > + * 31st bit of the ctime's tv_nsec field as a flag to indicate that the value > > + * has been queried since it was last updated. > > + */ > > +#define I_CTIME_QUERIED (1L<<30) > > + > > /** > > * inode_get_ctime - fetch the current ctime from the inode > > * @inode: inode from which to fetch ctime > > * > > - * Grab the current ctime from the inode and return it. > > + * Grab the current ctime tv_nsec field from the inode, mask off the > > + * I_CTIME_QUERIED flag and return it. This is mostly intended for use by > > + * internal consumers of the ctime that aren't concerned with ensuring a > > + * fine-grained update on the next change (e.g. when preparing to store > > + * the value in the backing store for later retrieval). > > + * > > + * This is safe to call regardless of whether the underlying filesystem > > + * is using multigrain timestamps. > > */ > > static inline struct timespec64 inode_get_ctime(const struct inode *inode) > > { > > - return inode->__i_ctime; > > + struct timespec64 ctime; > > + > > + ctime.tv_sec = inode->__i_ctime.tv_sec; > > + ctime.tv_nsec = inode->__i_ctime.tv_nsec & ~I_CTIME_QUERIED; > > + > > + return ctime; > > } > > > > /** > > @@ -2261,6 +2289,7 @@ struct file_system_type { > > #define FS_USERNS_MOUNT 8 /* Can be mounted by userns root */ > > #define FS_DISALLOW_NOTIFY_PERM 16 /* Disable fanotify permission events */ > > #define FS_ALLOW_IDMAP 32 /* FS has been updated to handle vfs idmappings. */ > > +#define FS_MGTIME 64 /* FS uses multigrain timestamps */ > > #define FS_RENAME_DOES_D_MOVE 32768 /* FS will handle d_move() during rename() internally. */ > > int (*init_fs_context)(struct fs_context *); > > const struct fs_parameter_spec *parameters; > > @@ -2284,6 +2313,17 @@ struct file_system_type { > > > > #define MODULE_ALIAS_FS(NAME) MODULE_ALIAS("fs-" NAME) > > > > +/** > > + * is_mgtime: is this inode using multigrain timestamps > > + * @inode: inode to test for multigrain timestamps > > + * > > + * Return true if the inode uses multigrain timestamps, false otherwise. > > + */ > > +static inline bool is_mgtime(const struct inode *inode) > > +{ > > + return inode->i_sb->s_type->fs_flags & FS_MGTIME; > > +} > > + > > extern struct dentry *mount_bdev(struct file_system_type *fs_type, > > int flags, const char *dev_name, void *data, > > int (*fill_super)(struct super_block *, void *, int)); > > @@ -2919,6 +2959,7 @@ extern void page_put_link(void *); > > extern int page_symlink(struct inode *inode, const char *symname, int len); > > extern const struct inode_operations page_symlink_inode_operations; > > extern void kfree_link(void *); > > +void fill_mg_cmtime(u32 request_mask, struct inode *inode, struct kstat *stat); > > void generic_fillattr(struct mnt_idmap *, u32, struct inode *, struct kstat *); > > void generic_fill_statx_attr(struct inode *inode, struct kstat *stat); > > extern int vfs_getattr_nosec(const struct path *, struct kstat *, u32, unsigned int); > > > > -- > > 2.41.0 > > -- Jeff Layton _______________________________________________ Linux-f2fs-devel mailing list Linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-f2fs-devel