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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
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Subject: Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 05/13] fat: make fat_update_time get its own timestamp
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2023 13:59:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccffe6ca3397c8374352b002fe01d55b09d84ef4.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87leek6rh1.fsf@mail.parknet.co.jp>

On Thu, 2023-08-10 at 02:44 +0900, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:
> Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, 2023-08-10 at 00:17 +0900, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:
> > > Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > My mistake re: lazytime vs. relatime, but Jan is correct that this
> > shouldn't break anything there.
> 
> Actually breaks ("break" means not corrupt fs, means it breaks lazytime
> optimization). It is just not always, but it should be always for some
> userspaces.
> 
> > The logic in the revised generic_update_time is different because FAT is
> > is a bit strange. fat_update_time does extra truncation on the timestamp
> > that it is handed beyond what timestamp_truncate() does.
> > fat_truncate_time is called in many different places too, so I don't
> > feel comfortable making big changes to how that works.
> > 
> > In the case of generic_update_time, it calls inode_update_timestamps
> > which returns a mask that shows which timestamps got updated. It then
> > marks the dirty_flags appropriately for what was actually changed.
> > 
> > generic_update_time is used across many filesystems so we need to ensure
> > that it's OK to use even when multigrain timestamps are enabled. Those
> > haven't been enabled in FAT though, so I didn't bother, and left it to
> > dirtying the inode in the same way it was before, even though it now
> > fetches its own timestamps from the clock. Given the way that the mtime
> > and ctime are smooshed together in FAT, that seemed reasonable.
> > 
> > Is there a particular case or flag combination you're concerned about
> > here?
> 
> Yes. Because FAT has strange timestamps that different granularity on
> disk . This is why generic time truncation doesn't work for FAT.
> 
> Well anyway, my concern is the only following part. In
> generic_update_time(), S_[CM]TIME are not the cause of I_DIRTY_SYNC if
> lazytime mode.
> 
> -	if ((flags & S_VERSION) && inode_maybe_inc_iversion(inode, false))
> +	if ((flags & (S_VERSION|S_CTIME|S_MTIME)) && inode_maybe_inc_iversion(inode, false))
> 		dirty_flags |= I_DIRTY_SYNC;
> 

That would be wrong. The problem is that we're changing how update_time
works:

Previously, update_time was given a timestamp and a set of S_* flags to
indicate which fields should be updated. Now, update_time is not given a
timestamp. It needs to fetch it itself, but that subtly changes the
meaning of the flags field.

It now means "these fields needed to be updated when I last checked".
The timestamp and i_version may now be different from when the flags
field was set. This means that if any of S_CTIME/S_MTIME/S_VERSION were
set that we need to attempt to update all 3 of them. They may now be
different from the timestamp or version that we ultimately end up with.

The above may look to you like it would always cause I_DIRTY_SYNC to be
set on any ctime or mtime update, but inode_maybe_inc_iversion only
returns true if it actually updated i_version, and it only does that if
someone issued a ->getattr against the file since the last time it was
updated.

So, this shouldn't generate any more DIRTY_SYNC updates than it did
before.
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-09 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-07 19:38 [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 00/13] fs: implement multigrain timestamps Jeff Layton
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 01/13] fs: remove silly warning from current_time Jeff Layton
2023-08-08  9:05   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 02/13] fs: pass the request_mask to generic_fillattr Jeff Layton
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 03/13] fs: drop the timespec64 arg from generic_update_time Jeff Layton
2023-08-08  9:25   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 04/13] btrfs: have it use inode_update_timestamps Jeff Layton
2023-08-08  9:26   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 05/13] fat: make fat_update_time get its own timestamp Jeff Layton
2023-08-08  9:32   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-09  7:08     ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-09  8:37   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09  8:41     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09 10:10     ` Jeff Layton
2023-08-09 13:36       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09 14:22         ` Jeff Layton
2023-08-09 14:44           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09 14:52             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09 15:00         ` Jan Kara
2023-08-09 15:17           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09 16:30             ` Jeff Layton
2023-08-09 17:44               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09 17:59                 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2023-08-09 18:31                   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09 19:04                     ` Jeff Layton
2023-08-09 20:14                       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-09 22:07                         ` Jeff Layton
2023-08-09 22:37                           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 06/13] ubifs: have ubifs_update_time use inode_update_timestamps Jeff Layton
2023-08-08  9:37   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-09  7:06     ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-09  8:23       ` Jan Kara
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 07/13] xfs: have xfs_vn_update_time gets its own timestamp Jeff Layton
2023-08-08  9:39   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-09  7:04     ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-09 15:57   ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 08/13] fs: drop the timespec64 argument from update_time Jeff Layton
2023-08-08  9:45   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-09 12:31   ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-09 18:38     ` Mike Marshall
2023-08-09 19:05       ` Jeff Layton
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 09/13] fs: add infrastructure for multigrain timestamps Jeff Layton
2023-08-08 10:02   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 10/13] tmpfs: add support " Jeff Layton
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 11/13] xfs: switch to " Jeff Layton
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 12/13] ext4: " Jeff Layton
2023-09-19  7:05   ` Xi Ruoyao via Linux-f2fs-devel
2023-09-19 11:04     ` Jan Kara
2023-09-19 11:33       ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]         ` <4511209.uG2h0Jr0uP@nimes>
2023-09-19 16:31           ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-19 20:10             ` Paul Eggert
2023-09-19 20:46               ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-20  8:41             ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-20  8:50               ` Xi Ruoyao via Linux-f2fs-devel
2023-09-20  9:56               ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-20 10:17               ` Jan Kara
2023-09-20 10:30                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-20 13:03                   ` Jan Kara
2023-09-20 10:35                 ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-20 11:48                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-20 11:56                     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-20 12:08                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-20 12:26                         ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-20 12:30                           ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-20 13:57                     ` Chuck Lever III
2023-09-20 14:53                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-20 15:29                         ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-20 15:30                         ` Jan Kara
2023-09-20 12:48                   ` Jan Kara
2023-09-20 14:12                     ` Jeff Layton
2023-09-20 15:45                       ` Jan Kara
2023-09-20  9:58             ` Jan Kara
2023-08-07 19:38 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 13/13] btrfs: convert " Jeff Layton
2023-08-08 10:05   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-09  7:09 ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v7 00/13] fs: implement " Christian Brauner
2023-09-04 18:11 ` patchwork-bot+f2fs

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