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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: "Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>
Cc: Otto Solares <solca@guug.org>,
	Linux Frame Buffer Device Development
	<linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] neofb patches
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:42:50 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1083195769.20089.106.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1083191201.18413.73.camel@thor.asgaard.local>


> > 
> > DRM and fbdev must merge so i repeat: just a single
> > kernel entity should own FIFO queues, shared locks,
> > DMA, the framebuffer, IO registers, interrupts, etc.
> 
> A small low-level driver could handle this, which both the framebuffer
> device and the DRM use. Linus has proposed this approach, and I must say
> I like it.

The idea here is to have a small per-card low level driver (no common
API or little of it) used to do the IRQ, fifo/ring management & blasting
of registers. Everything else is client of this driver, including
possibly fbcon. That also means we move all of mode management to
userland, which I tend to slowly agree with. Remember that in 2.7, we
may have an initramfs with klibc etc... thus we can have userland code
shipping along with the kernel.

I started working on a userland API do deal with all of the mode
management cruft that could be implemented either on top of fbdev or
something else, but I didn't have time to finish. And I think Jon Smirl
started his own different thing (of course) there...

One of the ideas we had after discussing with Keith Packard that the
model should be a library that deals with all the settings of the
displays, the geometry of the desktop(s) (relative position of screens),
modes, etc... That library would interface to the various drivers via
backend libraries and would broadcast via dbus the environment changes
so that things like window managers, x servers, or whatever else can
adapt. Applications would talk directly to the library.

Ben.




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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-28 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-21  1:14 [PATCH] neofb patches Alex Stewart
2004-04-21 17:47 ` James Simmons
2004-04-21 19:10   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-04-22  8:09     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-23 23:27       ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 16:53     ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23 20:03       ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 18:35     ` James Simmons
2004-04-23 19:54       ` James Simmons
2004-04-22  3:18   ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-22 20:57     ` James Simmons
2004-04-23  4:03       ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23  6:43         ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-23 23:00           ` James Simmons
2004-04-24  3:15             ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Randy.Dunlap
2004-04-24  7:08               ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-25  3:10                 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " James Simmons
2004-04-25  3:09               ` James Simmons
2004-04-24 17:29             ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-25  0:55               ` James Simmons
2004-04-26 18:12                 ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-27  0:11                   ` James Simmons
2004-04-27  1:15                     ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-27  8:49                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-27 10:12                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 20:25                           ` James Simmons
2004-04-27 22:48                             ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27 23:10                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 23:21                                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-27 23:25                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-27 23:46                                   ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27 23:50                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  0:38                                       ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  0:41                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  1:39                                           ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  3:17                                             ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-28  3:18                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28 17:02                                                 ` James Simmons
2004-04-28  4:36                                               ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  4:56                                                 ` Alex Stewart
2004-04-28  6:59                                                   ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  8:26                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 22:00                                           ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28  0:29                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:54                                       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-04-28  1:15                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  1:21                                       ` John Zielinski
2004-04-28 16:53                                         ` James Simmons
2004-04-28  0:23                                   ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:20                                 ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  0:36                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28  7:08                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28  8:27                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 10:16                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-28 16:37                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28 16:50                                           ` James Simmons
2004-04-28 22:26                                           ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-28 23:42                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2004-04-28 23:59                                               ` James Simmons
2004-04-29  1:06                                               ` Otto Solares
2004-04-29  1:20                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 16:56                                                   ` James Simmons
2004-04-29 21:57                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-30 15:06                                                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-04-30 16:50                                                         ` James Simmons
2004-05-01  0:40                                                           ` Otto Solares
2004-05-06 19:28                                                             ` Mobility M1 refresh code problem 2.4.26? Richard Smith
2004-05-06 19:57                                                               ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-06 20:35                                                                 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-06 20:42                                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 21:12                                                                     ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07  7:57                                                                       ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-07 14:11                                                                         ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07 15:34                                                                           ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-05-07 19:42                                                                             ` Richard Smith
2004-05-07 23:11                                                                               ` Mikael Eriksson
2004-04-29  8:32                                               ` [PATCH] neofb patches Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-29  1:07                                             ` Otto Solares
2004-04-29  1:23                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 13:01                                               ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-29 17:52                                                 ` Otto Solares
2004-04-29 23:12                                                   ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-30  1:18                                                     ` Otto Solares
2004-04-30  1:28                                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2004-04-30 21:26                                                         ` Otto Solares
2004-04-28 23:30                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-28 17:39                                       ` James Simmons
2004-04-28 18:03                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 22:46                                         ` John Zielinski
2004-04-27  8:56                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-23 16:07         ` James Simmons

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