From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org>
Cc: Nicolas Souchu <nsouch@free.fr>, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>,
dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
mesa3d-dev <mesa3d-dev@lists.sourceforge.net>,
fb-devel <linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Dri-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:57:25 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1084150645.2909.4.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0405062327050.20402-100000@phoenix.infradead.org>
> 1) Keep mode switching in the kernel. Merge DRI and fb together via
> sysfs interface.
>
> 2) Ben suggestion that we mount userland inside the kernel during early
> boot and use a userland library. If we would use a library then it MUST
> be OpenGL. This would be the forced standard on all platforms. This
> would mean Mesa would be needed to build the kernel. We could move over
> Mesa into the kernel like zlib is in the tree right now.
You are mixing things. Mode setting has nothing to do with rendering. OpenGL
is a rendering client. It produces commands sent to the low level kernel
driver and provides a 3D API, but it's not the only one. In this regard,
fbcon is a client too and XFree 2D accel is another one.
What I was proposing was a library that managed the desktop environment,
not involved in any rendering activities. The main reason why I halted my
work on this (except for lack of time) is that I figured out that there
were big issues to solve first about memory management of the framebuffer,
dealing with ownership of fb regions, ability to ask client to "evict"
their data (when a new mode requires a larger space) etc...
Ben.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-05-10 0:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-05-06 18:16 Redesign of kernel graphics interface Jon Smirl
2004-05-06 19:46 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 23:20 ` James Simmons
2004-05-06 20:57 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-06 23:19 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-06 21:42 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07 0:30 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-06 22:48 ` James Simmons
2004-05-07 0:50 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07 1:20 ` [Dri-devel] " Keith Packard
2004-05-07 1:33 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07 8:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-14 17:20 ` Sven Luther
2004-05-14 17:35 ` Alex Deucher
2004-05-14 19:25 ` Sven Luther
2004-05-14 17:51 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-14 18:08 ` Ville Syrjälä
[not found] ` <20040514184004.16621.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com>
2004-05-14 19:01 ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-15 7:27 ` Holger Waechtler
2004-05-15 8:25 ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-17 17:40 ` Alan Cox
2004-05-14 19:31 ` Sven Luther
2004-05-10 0:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2004-05-10 16:14 ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 16:28 ` [Dri-devel] " Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-10 22:42 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-10 18:29 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-10 19:16 ` Mike Mestnik
2004-05-10 21:05 ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 22:39 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-10 20:47 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-10 23:58 ` James Simmons
2004-05-11 22:57 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-11 21:17 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-11 21:29 ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-10 19:33 ` [Dri-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alan Cox
2004-05-11 8:33 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-10 23:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-10 23:50 ` James Simmons
2004-05-11 22:13 ` Compiling Rage xlinit.c Richard Smith
2004-05-14 19:41 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-14 21:28 ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-14 22:16 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-14 22:48 ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-14 23:57 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-15 0:22 ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-15 0:42 ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-18 22:06 ` James Simmons
2004-05-19 14:36 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-19 22:20 ` James Simmons
2004-05-07 8:30 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 23:21 ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 12:07 ` [Dri-devel] " Egbert Eich
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