From: Ben Nizette <bn@niasdigital.com>
To: Robin Getz <rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org>
Cc: Jaya Kumar <jayakumar.lkml@gmail.com>,
David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
Eric Miao <eric.y.miao@gmail.com>,
Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
Eric Miao <eric.miao@marvell.com>,
Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@atmel.com>,
Philipp Zabel <philipp.zabel@gmail.com>,
Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Ben Gardner <bgardner@wabtec.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk,
linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 2.6.27 1/1] gpiolib: add support for batch set of pins
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:00:34 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1230501634.16910.57.camel@linux-51e8.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200812281346.56703.rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org>
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 13:46 -0500, Robin Getz wrote:
> > gpio_set_batch(DB0, value, 0xFFFF, 16)
> >
> > which has the nice performance benefit of skipping all the bit
> > counting in the most common use case scenario.
>
> but has the requirement that the driver know exactly the board level
> impmentation details (something that doesn't sound generic).
The original use case for these batch operations was in a fastpath -
setting data lines on a framebuffer. Sure it's arguably not as generic
as may be, but it optimises for speed and current usage patterns - I'm
OK with that. Other usage patterns which don't have a speed requirement
can be done using the individual pin operations and a loop.
>
> > While we are here, I was thinking about it, and its better if I give
> > gpio_request/free/direction_batch a miss for now. Nothing prevents
> > those features being added at a later point.
>
> I don't think that request/free are optional.
>
> For example - in most SoC implementations - gpios are implemented as banks of
> 16 or 32. (a 16 or 32 bit register).
>
> Are there facilities to span these registers?
> - can you request 64 gpios as a 'bank'?
> - can you request gpio_8 -> gpio_40 as a 'bank' on a 32-bit system?
>
> Are non-adjacent/non-contiguous gpios avaliable to be put into
> a 'bank/batch/bus'? can you use gpio_8 -> 11 & 28 -> 31 as a 8-bit 'bus'?
>
> How do you know what is avaliable to be talked to as a bank/bus/batch without
> the request/free operation?
I think the read/write operations should be able to fail if you give
them invalid chunks of gpio, sure. Request/free are not really designed
for that operation - they just ensure exclusive access to a gpio if
that's what the driver wants. In the batch case the
request/free/direction operations can once again be performed by single
pin operations and iteration.
>
>
> I have seen various hardware designs (both at the PCB and SoC level) require
> all of these options, and would like to see common infrastructure which
> handles this.
>
> The issue is that on many SoC implementations - dedicated peripherals can also
> be GPIOs - so it someone wants to use SPI (for example) GPIO's 3->7 might be
> removed from the avaliable 'gpio' resources. This is determined by the
> silicon designer - and even the PCB designer has little to no flexibility on
> this. It gets worse as multiple SPI or I2C are used on the PCB (which can
> have lots of small (less than 5) dedicated pins in the middle of the larger
> gpio resources)....
Yeah the request/free operation doesn't deal with muxing or any other
platform-specific kinda gumph, that was an original design decision.
They're really just a usage counter.
An example which comes to mind is the avr32-specific userspace gpio
interface. This takes a bitmask, loops over the set bits and fails if
any of the gpio are previously requested or have been assigned to
non-gpio peripherals. I don't really see a need to streamline this.
>
> I would think that a 'bank' / 'bus' (whatever) would be a collection of
> random/multiple GPIOs (a struct of gpio_port_t) rather than a start/length
> (as you described) - or better yet - the request function takes a list (of
> individual GPIO's - defined in the platform data), and creates the struct
> itself.
Hmm, this seems a little overengineered for the basic use-cases I can
think of. If this can be cranked up to the same speed as the current
proposition then OK maybe someone will like it but otherwise, once
again, I think most people will be happy with individual operations and
iteration.
--Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-28 22:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-25 22:52 [RFC 2.6.27 1/1] gpiolib: add support for batch set of pins Jaya Kumar
2008-11-26 1:20 ` Eric Miao
2008-11-26 3:27 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-11-26 4:15 ` David Brownell
2008-11-26 5:51 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-11-27 20:01 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-11-27 23:43 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-11-28 5:47 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-11-29 22:48 ` David Brownell
2008-11-29 23:33 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-11-29 22:54 ` David Brownell
2008-11-29 23:52 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-11-30 17:55 ` David Brownell
2008-12-01 1:10 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-12-27 14:55 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-12-28 18:46 ` Robin Getz
2008-12-28 22:00 ` Ben Nizette [this message]
2008-12-29 0:28 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-12-29 20:32 ` David Brownell
2008-12-29 19:59 ` David Brownell
2009-01-06 23:02 ` Robin Getz
2009-01-07 1:52 ` Ben Nizette
2008-12-29 19:56 ` David Brownell
2008-12-30 0:20 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-12-30 0:43 ` David Brownell
2008-12-31 4:55 ` Robin Getz
2008-12-31 4:58 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-12-31 5:02 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-12-31 17:38 ` Robin Getz
2008-12-31 18:05 ` Jaya Kumar
2009-01-06 22:41 ` Robin Getz
2009-01-10 7:37 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-12-29 19:32 ` David Brownell
2008-12-30 15:45 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-12-29 19:06 ` David Brownell
2008-11-26 9:09 ` Paulius Zaleckas
2008-11-26 9:18 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-11-26 10:08 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-11-26 10:25 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-11-26 12:08 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-11-29 22:47 ` David Brownell
2008-11-29 23:04 ` Jaya Kumar
2008-11-30 3:27 ` David Brownell
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