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From: Mike Mestnik <cheako911@yahoo.com>
To: James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Nicolas Souchu <nsouch@free.fr>, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	mesa3d-dev <mesa3d-dev@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	fb-devel <linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Dri-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:16:08 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040510191608.64137.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040510182940.14049.qmail@web14924.mail.yahoo.com>

I could be wrong, but is not allocating framebuffers and mmaping memory
diffrent than setting up framebuffers and configuring DACs?

--- Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's not just bloat, the network code is used millions of times per
> second. Mode
> setting happens occaisonally. 
> 
> The other problem is memory management. What is going to happen when
> fbdev
> starts setting the mode for both heads? Who is going to mananage the
> VRAM when
> the buffers get resized? OpenGL has a very complex memory management
> scheme
> where things can migrate from VRAM to AGP to system memory.
> 
> --- James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > You are mixing things. Mode setting has nothing to do with
> rendering. OpenGL
> > > is a rendering client. It produces commands sent to the low level
> kernel
> > > driver and provides a 3D API, but it's not the only one. In this
> regard,
> > > fbcon is a client too and XFree 2D accel is another one.
> > 
> > But we are rendering to draw fonts, clearing a area of the
> screen,copyarea.
> > If we are to have a universal solution it needs to OpenGL. Either that
> or 
> > mode switching stays in the kernel.  
> > 
> > Speaking of bloat in the kernel. When will the crypto and TCP/IP stack
> be 
> > moved to userspace. The networking code alone is over 17 megs in size.
> 
> > Bloat bloat bloat. 
> > 
> > 
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-10 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-06 18:16 Redesign of kernel graphics interface Jon Smirl
2004-05-06 19:46 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 23:20   ` James Simmons
2004-05-06 20:57 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-06 23:19 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-06 21:42   ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07  0:30     ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-06 22:48       ` James Simmons
2004-05-07  0:50         ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07  1:20           ` [Dri-devel] " Keith Packard
2004-05-07  1:33             ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07  8:31           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-14 17:20           ` Sven Luther
2004-05-14 17:35             ` Alex Deucher
2004-05-14 19:25               ` Sven Luther
2004-05-14 17:51             ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-14 18:08               ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                 ` <20040514184004.16621.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com>
2004-05-14 19:01                   ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-15  7:27                     ` Holger Waechtler
2004-05-15  8:25                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-17 17:40                   ` Alan Cox
2004-05-14 19:31               ` Sven Luther
2004-05-10  0:57         ` [Dri-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-10 16:14           ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 16:28             ` [Dri-devel] " Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-10 22:42               ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-10 18:29             ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-10 19:16               ` Mike Mestnik [this message]
2004-05-10 21:05               ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 22:39               ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-10 20:47                 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-10 23:58                   ` James Simmons
2004-05-11 22:57                   ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-11 21:17                     ` Otto Solares
2004-05-11 21:29                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-10 19:33             ` [Dri-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alan Cox
2004-05-11  8:33               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-10 23:40             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-10 23:50               ` James Simmons
2004-05-11 22:13                 ` Compiling Rage xlinit.c Richard Smith
2004-05-14 19:41                   ` Richard Smith
2004-05-14 21:28                     ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-14 22:16                       ` Richard Smith
2004-05-14 22:48                         ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-14 23:57                           ` Richard Smith
2004-05-15  0:22                             ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-15  0:42                             ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-18 22:06                             ` James Simmons
2004-05-19 14:36                               ` Richard Smith
2004-05-19 22:20                                 ` James Simmons
2004-05-07  8:30       ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 23:21   ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 12:07 ` [Dri-devel] " Egbert Eich

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