From: Mike Mestnik <cheako911@yahoo.com>
To: James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Nicolas Souchu <nsouch@free.fr>, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>,
dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
mesa3d-dev <mesa3d-dev@lists.sourceforge.net>,
fb-devel <linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Dri-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:16:08 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040510191608.64137.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040510182940.14049.qmail@web14924.mail.yahoo.com>
I could be wrong, but is not allocating framebuffers and mmaping memory
diffrent than setting up framebuffers and configuring DACs?
--- Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's not just bloat, the network code is used millions of times per
> second. Mode
> setting happens occaisonally.
>
> The other problem is memory management. What is going to happen when
> fbdev
> starts setting the mode for both heads? Who is going to mananage the
> VRAM when
> the buffers get resized? OpenGL has a very complex memory management
> scheme
> where things can migrate from VRAM to AGP to system memory.
>
> --- James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > > You are mixing things. Mode setting has nothing to do with
> rendering. OpenGL
> > > is a rendering client. It produces commands sent to the low level
> kernel
> > > driver and provides a 3D API, but it's not the only one. In this
> regard,
> > > fbcon is a client too and XFree 2D accel is another one.
> >
> > But we are rendering to draw fonts, clearing a area of the
> screen,copyarea.
> > If we are to have a universal solution it needs to OpenGL. Either that
> or
> > mode switching stays in the kernel.
> >
> > Speaking of bloat in the kernel. When will the crypto and TCP/IP stack
> be
> > moved to userspace. The networking code alone is over 17 megs in size.
>
> > Bloat bloat bloat.
> >
> >
> >
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-05-10 19:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-05-06 18:16 Redesign of kernel graphics interface Jon Smirl
2004-05-06 19:46 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 23:20 ` James Simmons
2004-05-06 20:57 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-06 23:19 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-06 21:42 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07 0:30 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-06 22:48 ` James Simmons
2004-05-07 0:50 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07 1:20 ` [Dri-devel] " Keith Packard
2004-05-07 1:33 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07 8:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-14 17:20 ` Sven Luther
2004-05-14 17:35 ` Alex Deucher
2004-05-14 19:25 ` Sven Luther
2004-05-14 17:51 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-14 18:08 ` Ville Syrjälä
[not found] ` <20040514184004.16621.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com>
2004-05-14 19:01 ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-15 7:27 ` Holger Waechtler
2004-05-15 8:25 ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-17 17:40 ` Alan Cox
2004-05-14 19:31 ` Sven Luther
2004-05-10 0:57 ` [Dri-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-10 16:14 ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 16:28 ` [Dri-devel] " Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-10 22:42 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-10 18:29 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-10 19:16 ` Mike Mestnik [this message]
2004-05-10 21:05 ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 22:39 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-10 20:47 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-10 23:58 ` James Simmons
2004-05-11 22:57 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-11 21:17 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-11 21:29 ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-10 19:33 ` [Dri-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alan Cox
2004-05-11 8:33 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-10 23:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-10 23:50 ` James Simmons
2004-05-11 22:13 ` Compiling Rage xlinit.c Richard Smith
2004-05-14 19:41 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-14 21:28 ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-14 22:16 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-14 22:48 ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-14 23:57 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-15 0:22 ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-15 0:42 ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-18 22:06 ` James Simmons
2004-05-19 14:36 ` Richard Smith
2004-05-19 22:20 ` James Simmons
2004-05-07 8:30 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 23:21 ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 12:07 ` [Dri-devel] " Egbert Eich
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