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From: "Ville Syrjälä" <syrjala@sci.fi>
To: dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	mesa3d-dev <mesa3d-dev@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	fb-devel <linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:08:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040514180814.GA18297@sci.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040514175135.41336.qmail@web14921.mail.yahoo.com>

On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 10:51:35AM -0700, Jon Smirl wrote:
> Just look at this picture and you can see the trend of 2D vs 3D (coprocessor
> based) graphics.
> http://www.de.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040504/images/architecture.gif
> Within one or two generations the 2D box is going to be gone.
> 
> If Linux wants to stay current with technology we have to start using the
> coprocessor features of the GPU. Most of the benchmarks I have seen show
> coprocessor vs programmed at 100:1 speed differential. This is also a
> competitive problem, Microsoft and Apple have both decided to go with the GPU
> coprocessor this year. 

I don't understand you GPU vs. PIO comparisons. You can use the 2D engine 
with DMA as well. And at least with older cards the 2D engine is clearly 
faster than the 3D engine (~100% faster for blits on my G400) so trying to 
bypass it is just stupid.

> I said OpenGL is the only accelerated API available on Linux. Can you name
> another?

DirectFB.

> There is a little acceleration in framebuffer, but I don't know of any
> others. Also, software mesa works just fine to provide OpenGL on dumb 2D cards.

Using unaccelerated OpenGL for 2D rendering doesn't sound exatly useful. 

-- 
Ville Syrjälä
syrjala@sci.fi
http://www.sci.fi/~syrjala/


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-14 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-06 18:16 Redesign of kernel graphics interface Jon Smirl
2004-05-06 19:46 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 23:20   ` James Simmons
2004-05-06 20:57 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-06 23:19 ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-06 21:42   ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07  0:30     ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-06 22:48       ` James Simmons
2004-05-07  0:50         ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07  1:20           ` [Dri-devel] " Keith Packard
2004-05-07  1:33             ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-07  8:31           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-14 17:20           ` Sven Luther
2004-05-14 17:35             ` Alex Deucher
2004-05-14 19:25               ` Sven Luther
2004-05-14 17:51             ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-14 18:08               ` Ville Syrjälä [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <20040514184004.16621.qmail@web14930.mail.yahoo.com>
2004-05-14 19:01                   ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-15  7:27                     ` Holger Waechtler
2004-05-15  8:25                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-17 17:40                   ` Alan Cox
2004-05-14 19:31               ` Sven Luther
2004-05-10  0:57         ` [Dri-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-10 16:14           ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 16:28             ` [Dri-devel] " Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-10 22:42               ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-10 18:29             ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-10 19:16               ` Mike Mestnik
2004-05-10 21:05               ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 22:39               ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-10 20:47                 ` Otto Solares
2004-05-10 23:58                   ` James Simmons
2004-05-11 22:57                   ` Nicolas Souchu
2004-05-11 21:17                     ` Otto Solares
2004-05-11 21:29                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-10 19:33             ` [Dri-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Alan Cox
2004-05-11  8:33               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-10 23:40             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-10 23:50               ` James Simmons
2004-05-11 22:13                 ` Compiling Rage xlinit.c Richard Smith
2004-05-14 19:41                   ` Richard Smith
2004-05-14 21:28                     ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-14 22:16                       ` Richard Smith
2004-05-14 22:48                         ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-14 23:57                           ` Richard Smith
2004-05-15  0:22                             ` Steve Longerbeam
2004-05-15  0:42                             ` Ville Syrjälä
2004-05-18 22:06                             ` James Simmons
2004-05-19 14:36                               ` Richard Smith
2004-05-19 22:20                                 ` James Simmons
2004-05-07  8:30       ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-06 23:21   ` James Simmons
2004-05-10 12:07 ` [Dri-devel] " Egbert Eich

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