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From: "Ville Syrjälä" <syrjala@sci.fi>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: "Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>,
	"Jon Smirl" <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>,
	"Linux Fbdev development list"
	<linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, xorg@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: FB model basic issues (WAS: radeon, apertures & memory mapping)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:08:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050316200808.GB6651@sci.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1110942559.24296.107.camel@gaston>

On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:09:18PM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> 
> > It's ugly, but that's not the point. The point is that all deployed
> > versions of X (and even current X.org CVS head still, in fact) make this
> > assumption.
> 
> Oh, that's fine and that's not a problem. I will only repaint the
> framebuffer on bit depth or line lenght changes. I'm trying to talk
> about the _future_ here. That is support for dual head at the fbdev
> level and other niceties.

I don't see the current system slowly evolving into some superb future 
system with an in kernel memory manager. The current APIs just have too 
many limitations. I think the memory manager must be the foundation of 
everything and after it's in place the fbdev API should be able to use it. 
The only change to simple fbdev apps would be that they can't get access 
to any offscreen memory as they do now. Something like DirectFB would need 
to change to accomodate the new system but I don't see that as a problem.

I think the best short term option for radeonfb is to simply follow 
matroxfb's example and cut the memory into two parts. The cutoff point 
should probably be configurable via a module option.

-- 
Ville Syrjälä
syrjala@sci.fi
http://www.sci.fi/~syrjala/

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-16 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-13  1:35 radeon, apertures & memory mapping Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13  3:22 ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-13  6:43   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 16:22     ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-14  4:28     ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Michel Dänzer
2005-03-14  7:12       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14 16:20         ` Michel Dänzer
2005-03-14 21:52           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14 22:12             ` Michel Dänzer
2005-03-14 22:37               ` FB model basic issues (WAS: radeon, apertures & memory mapping) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15  4:59                 ` Michel Dänzer
2005-03-15  5:14                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-15  6:01                   ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-15  6:59                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15 14:00                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-15 14:29                         ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-15 17:25                           ` Jan Gukelberger
2005-03-15 23:34                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15  8:51                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-03-15 13:36                       ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-15 23:33                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15 23:37                         ` Antonino A. Daplas
2005-03-15 23:50                           ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-16  1:47                             ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-16  1:51                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-16 19:51                                 ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-16 21:00                                   ` Michel Dänzer
2005-03-16 21:07                                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-16 23:28                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-16 23:53                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2005-03-16 23:25                                   ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                         ` <1110929582.25201.34.camel@gaston>
2005-03-16  5:21                           ` Michel Dänzer
2005-03-16  6:31                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-16 14:09                               ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-16 16:48                                 ` Adam Jackson
2005-03-16 23:20                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15 11:30                     ` Roland Scheidegger
2005-03-15 13:27                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-15 17:17                       ` Michel Dänzer
2005-03-16  3:09                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-16 20:08                           ` Ville Syrjälä [this message]
2005-03-16 20:42                             ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Michel Dänzer
2005-03-16 23:26                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-16 23:35                                 ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-17  0:06                                   ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-16 20:58                             ` Alex Deucher
2005-03-16 21:08                               ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-16 21:17                                 ` Alex Deucher
2005-03-16 23:30                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-17  0:47                                   ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-17  1:12                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-17  1:25                                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-17  2:00                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-17  9:08                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-03-17 19:54                                           ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-15 22:44                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15 23:05                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-15 23:49                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-16 20:55                           ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-16 23:27                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-17  0:14                               ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-17  0:28                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15  6:45                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15  5:30                 ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-15  6:58                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-15 21:58                   ` Ian Romanick
2005-03-13  3:55 ` radeon, apertures & memory mapping Vladimir Dergachev
2005-03-13  6:44   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13  8:22 ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-13  9:20   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 10:39     ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-13 12:04       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 16:19         ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-13 17:47           ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-13 17:56             ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Jon Smirl
2005-03-13 21:52               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 22:17                 ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-13 22:41                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 21:51             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 21:49           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 22:10             ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-13 22:20               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 23:00                 ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-13 23:11                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-13 23:27                   ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-13 23:48                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14  0:08                       ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-14  0:10                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14  0:25                       ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-14  0:39                         ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-14  1:02                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14  0:54                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14  0:41                   ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-14  0:56                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-14  1:05                       ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14  1:47                         ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-14  3:59                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14  4:07                           ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-14  4:40                             ` Jon Smirl
2005-03-14  5:09                               ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14 16:30                         ` Soeren Sandmann
2005-03-14 16:40                           ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-14 21:54                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-03-14 16:16         ` Ville Syrjälä
2005-03-14 21:27           ` Donnie Berkholz
2005-03-14 21:51           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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