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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, linaro-dev@lists.linaro.org,
	Florian Tobias Schandinat <FlorianSchandinat@gmx.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Archit Taneja <archit@ti.com>, Rob Clark <rob@ti.com>
Subject: Re: Proposal for a low-level Linux display framework
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110917212529.6b452bf2@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM=9txHu7mzH8p8g=FmHsjvmAT-aMy-xEFj4odXEvnbs-bhMw@mail.gmail.com>

> Just tell the X driver to not use acceleration, and it you won't get
> any acceleration used, then you get complete stability. If a driver
> writer wants to turn off all accel in the kernel driver, it can, its

In fact one thing we actually need really is a "dumb" KMS X server to
replace the fbdev X server that unaccel stuff depends upon and which
can't do proper mode handling, multi-head or resizing as a result. A dumb
fb generic request for a back to front copy might also be useful for
shadowfb, or at least indicators so you know what the cache behaviour is
so the X server can pick the right policy.

> We've fixed this in KMS, we don't pass direct mappings to userspace
> that we can't tear down and refault. We only provide objects via
> handles. The only place its a problem is where we expose fbdev legacy
> emulation, since we have to fix the pages.

Which is doable. Horrible but doable. The usb framebuffer code has to
play games like this with the virtual framebuffer in order to track
changes by faulting.

There are still some architectural screwups however. DRM continues the
fbdev worldview that outputs, memory and accelerators are tied together
in lumps we call video cards. That isn't really true for all cases and
with capture/overlay it gets even less true.

Alan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-09-17 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-15 12:07 Proposal for a low-level Linux display framework Tomi Valkeinen
2011-09-15 14:59 ` Keith Packard
2011-09-15 15:29   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-09-15 15:50     ` Keith Packard
2011-09-15 17:05       ` Alan Cox
2011-09-17 21:36         ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-09-15 17:12       ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
2011-09-15 17:18         ` Alan Cox
2011-09-15 17:47           ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
2011-09-15 19:05             ` Alan Cox
2011-09-15 19:46               ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
2011-09-15 21:31                 ` Alan Cox
2011-09-15 17:52         ` Alex Deucher
2011-09-15 17:56           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-09-15 18:04             ` Alex Deucher
2011-09-15 18:39           ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
2011-09-15 18:58             ` Alan Cox
2011-09-15 19:18               ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
     [not found]                 ` <4E724F93.1050203-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
2011-09-15 19:28                   ` Alan Cox
2011-09-15 19:45                 ` Alex Deucher
2011-09-17 14:44               ` Felipe Contreras
2011-09-17 15:16                 ` Rob Clark
2011-09-17 16:11                   ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
2011-09-17 16:47                     ` Dave Airlie
2011-09-17 18:15                       ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
2011-09-17 18:23                         ` Dave Airlie
2011-09-17 19:06                           ` Florian Tobias Schandinat
2011-09-17 19:25                             ` Corbin Simpson
2011-09-17 21:25                             ` Alex Deucher
2011-09-17 20:25                           ` Alan Cox [this message]
2011-10-31 20:24                             ` Jesse Barnes
2011-09-17 16:50                     ` Rob Clark
2011-09-16  4:53             ` Keith Packard
2011-09-17 23:12             ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-09-18 16:14               ` Rob Clark
2011-09-18 21:55                 ` Laurent Pinchart
     [not found]               ` <201109180112.15896.laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
2011-09-18 22:23                 ` Alan Cox
2011-09-19  0:09                   ` Rob Clark
2011-09-20 23:32                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-09-15 18:12         ` Keith Packard
2011-09-15 17:21       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-09-15 18:32         ` Rob Clark
2011-09-16  0:55         ` Keith Packard
2011-09-16  6:38           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-09-16 14:17           ` Daniel Vetter
2011-09-16 16:53           ` Alan Cox
2011-09-19  6:33             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-09-19  6:53               ` Keith Packard
2011-09-19  7:29                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-09-20  8:29                   ` Patrik Jakobsson
2011-09-20 15:55                     ` Keith Packard
2011-09-20 21:20                       ` Patrik Jakobsson
2011-09-21  6:01                         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2011-09-21 18:07                           ` Patrik Jakobsson
2011-09-15 15:03 ` Kyungmin Park
2011-09-21 13:26 ` Heiko Stübner

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