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From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@suse.com>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>
Cc: "Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk" <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 02/47] x86: mtrr: generalize run time disabling of MTRR
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 21:02:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150402210253.GY5622@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAErSpo7MY7v2CWjVodpvRp+pB0cUgzN7g-RgBQhHVgA-8A5Lng@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 03:28:51PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@suse.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@suse.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'll rephrase this to:
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> > It is possible to enable CONFIG_MTRR and up with it
> >> > disabled at run time and yet CONFIG_X86_PAT continues
> >> > to kick through with all functionally enabled. This
> >> > can happen for instance on Xen where MTRR is not
> >> > supported but PAT is, this can happen now on Linux as
> >> > of commit 47591df50 by Juergen introduced as of v3.19.
> >>
> >> I still can't parse this.  What does "up with it disabled at run time"
> >> mean?
> >
> > It  means that technically even if your CPU/BIOS/system did support
> > MTRR if you use a kernel with MTRR support enabled you might end up
> > with a situation where under one situation MTRR  might be enabled and
> > at another run time scenario with the same exact kernel and system you
> > will end up with MTRR disabled. Such is the case for example when
> > booting with Xen, which disables the CPU bits on the hypervisor code.
> > If you boot the same system without Xen you'll get MTRR.
> 
> Your text is missing some words.  You seem to be using "up" as a verb,
> but it's not a verb.  Maybe you meant "end up"? 

Indeed.

> Even then, it
> wouldn't make sense for CONFIG_MTRR to be "disabled at run time"
> because CONFIG_MTRR is a compile-time switch.  The MTRR
> *functionality* could certainly be disabled at run-time, but not
> CONFIG_MTRR itself.

I'll clarify.

> >>  And "... continues to kick through"?  Probably some idiomatic
> >> usage I'm just too old to understand :)
> >
> > That means for example that in both the above circumstances even if
> > MTRR went disabled at run time with Xen, the kernel went through with
> > getting PAT enabled.
> 
> "CONFIG_X86_PAT continues to kick through" doesn't seem a very precise
> way of describing this.  But maybe it's enough for experts in this
> area (which I'm not).

I've rephrased this to:

---
It is possible to enable CONFIG_MTRR and CONFIG_X86_PAT                         
and end up with a system with MTRR functionality disabled                       
PAT functionality enabled. This can happen for instance                         
on Xen where MTRR is not supported but PAT is. This can                         
happen on Linux as of commit 47591df50 ("xen: Support Xen                       
pv-domains using PAT") by Juergen, introduced as of v3.19.
---

  Luis

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-02 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-20 23:17 [PATCH v1 00/47] mtrr/x86/drivers: bury MTRR Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 01/47] x86: mtrr: annotate mtrr_type_lookup() is only implemented on generic_mtrr_ops Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 02/47] x86: mtrr: generalize run time disabling of MTRR Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-25 19:59   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-03-26  4:38     ` Juergen Gross
2015-03-26 23:35     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-02 20:13       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-04-02 20:20         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-02 20:28           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-04-02 21:02             ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2015-04-02 22:09               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-04-02 22:12                 ` [Xen-devel] " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 20:40   ` Toshi Kani
2015-03-27 23:56     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-02 21:49       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-02 23:52         ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-03  1:08           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 03/47] devres: add devm_ioremap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-25 19:50     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 04/47] pci: add pci_ioremap_wc_bar() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:50   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-25 20:06     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-25 20:03   ` [Xen-devel] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-03-25 20:39     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 05/47] pci: add pci_iomap_wc() variants Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-23 17:20   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-03-26  3:00     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 19:18     ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-21 19:25     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-04-21 19:27       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-25 20:07   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-03-27 18:40     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 06/47] mtrr: add __arch_phys_wc_add() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:48   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-27 19:53     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 19:58       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-27 20:30         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 21:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-27 23:04             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 23:10               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-27 23:33                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-02 20:21   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-04-02 20:55     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-02 22:35       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2015-04-02 22:54         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 07/47] video: fbdev: atyfb: move framebuffer length fudging to helper Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 08/47] video: fbdev: atyfb: clarify ioremap() base and length used Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:17 ` [PATCH v1 09/47] vidoe: fbdev: atyfb: remove and fix MTRR MMIO "hole" work around Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:52   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-27 20:12     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 21:21       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-27 23:31         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-21  9:15   ` Ville Syrjälä
2015-03-27  8:37     ` Ville Syrjälä
2015-03-27 19:38       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 19:38     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 19:43       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-27 19:57         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-27 21:56           ` Ville Syrjälä
2015-03-27 22:02             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-28  0:28               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-28 12:23                 ` Ville Syrjälä
2015-04-01 23:52                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-02  0:04                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-02 19:45                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-02 19:50                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-28  0:21             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 10/47] video: fbdev: atyfb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and ioremap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 11/47] IB/qib: add acounting for MTRR Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 12/47] IB/qib: use arch_phys_wc_add() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 13/47] IB/ipath: add counting for MTRR Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 14/47] IB/ipath: use __arch_phys_wc_add() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 15/47] [media] media: ivtv: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 16/47] fusion: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 17/47] video: fbdev: vesafb: only support MTRR_TYPE_WRCOMB Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 18/47] vidoe: fbdev: vesafb: add missing mtrr_del() for added MTRR Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 19/47] video: fbdev: vesafb: use arch_phys_wc_add() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 20/47] mtrr: avoid ifdef'ery with phys_wc_to_mtrr_index() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 21/47] ethernet: myri10ge: use arch_phys_wc_add() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-21  7:08   ` Hyong-Youb Kim
2015-03-27 20:36     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 22/47] staging: sm750fb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and ioremap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 23/47] staging: xgifb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-04-30 17:40   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 24/47] video: fbdev: arkfb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and pci_iomap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 25/47] video: fbdev: radeonfb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and ioremap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 26/47] video: fbdev: gbefb: add missing mtrr_del() calls Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 27/47] video: fbdev: gbefb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and devm_ioremap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 28/47] video: fbdev: intelfb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and ioremap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 29/47] video: fbdev: matrox: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 30/47] video: fbdev: neofb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 31/47] video: fbdev: s3fb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and pci_iomap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 32/47] video: fbdev: nvidia: use arch_phys_wc_add() and ioremap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 33/47] video: fbdev: savagefb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 34/47] video: fbdev: sisfb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 35/47] video: fbdev: aty: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 36/47] video: fbdev: i810: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 37/47] video: fbdev: i740fb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and pci_ioremap_wc_bar() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 38/47] video: fbdev: kyrofb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 39/47] video: fbdev: pm2fb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and ioremap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 40/47] video: fbdev: pm3fb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 41/47] video: fbdev: rivafb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 42/47] video: fbdev: tdfxfb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 43/47] video: fbdev: vt8623fb: use arch_phys_wc_add() and pci_iomap_wc() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 44/47] video: fbdev: atmel_lcdfb: use ioremap_wc() for framebuffer Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 45/47] video: fbdev: geode gxfb: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 46/47] video: fbdev: gxt4500: use pci_ioremap_wc_bar() " Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-20 23:18 ` [PATCH v1 47/47] mtrr: bury MTRR - unexport mtrr_add() and mtrr_del() Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-03-21  1:08 ` [PATCH v1 00/47] mtrr/x86/drivers: bury MTRR Andy Lutomirski

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