From: "Kendall Bennett" <KendallB@scitechsoft.com>
To: Zachary Smith <plinius@comcast.net>,
linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card BOOT?
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:22:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <416FEB4B.25470.2A1DBC0@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41701D1C.70705@comcast.net>
Zachary Smith <plinius@comcast.net> wrote:
> Kendall Bennett wrote:
> > Zachary Smith <plinius@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>The problem of x86-only BIOSes is one of the videocard
> >>manufacturers' own making which, in the spirit of good engineering,
> >>they should fix before requiring a downstream kludge.
>
> > Forgetting the fact that the BIOS image is x86, why
> > not think about the x86 BIOS image as being a set of 'generic'
> > instructions or p-code
>
> Yes, this idea occurred to me after I posted my response.
>
> But if you're going to add x86 emulation to the non-x86 kernels
> perhaps it would be nice if you could find a way to permit users to
> run x86 applications as well seamlessly.
Well there is a big difference between a simple CPU emulator and a full
fledged machine emulation environment. Although if you only plan to run
Linux user space programs that might be easier to handle because you just
need to handle the system calls. But you would still need x86 shared
libraries and such which at the end of the day doesn't make much sense
(too much bloat).
Also the emulator only emulates real mode code at present. It had full
support for 32-bit instructions and could probably be tweaked to run user
space 32-bit code, but it has never been tested.
> Although that would introduce a tradeoff: kernel code should be
> small which is bound to be slow in the case of an emulator, which
> is OK for running BIOS code, but a user running apps probably
> prefer optimized code which may be bigger.
Probably. Although we have been very surprised at just how well the
PowerPC compiled version of the emulator runs BIOS code. It seems the
PowerPC compilers can optimise the code a lot better than x86 compilers.
Regards,
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-15 22:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-14 19:02 Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card BOOT? Kendall Bennett
2004-10-14 19:59 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 23:36 ` Ian Romanick
2004-10-14 20:48 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 18:05 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 18:55 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 19:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-15 22:22 ` Kendall Bennett [this message]
2004-10-15 0:27 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 18:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:51 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 23:20 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-15 23:51 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 23:58 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-16 1:50 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 2:03 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 19:34 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 20:34 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 20:47 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 21:04 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 21:16 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 22:34 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 23:28 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 0:18 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-19 0:55 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 1:39 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-19 17:54 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:48 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 17:01 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 19:08 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-21 19:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:42 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 12:05 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-15 12:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-15 12:45 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-19 21:54 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 13:13 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-17 12:07 ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-18 8:36 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 11:39 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Martin Waitz
2004-10-18 12:10 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 20:21 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Helge Hafting
2004-10-18 20:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-10-19 16:57 ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-15 18:29 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2004-10-16 9:01 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-15 18:36 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 13:48 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 18:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:44 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 22:12 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-16 0:41 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-26 11:14 ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 1:58 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-27 11:11 ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 19:52 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:51 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 17:44 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 19:34 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-19 21:11 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 17:01 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 17:31 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 18:44 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 19:10 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-21 19:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-21 20:47 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
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2004-10-15 20:19 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-15 22:22 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 23:02 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 21:09 ` Pavel Machek
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