From: Ian Romanick <idr@us.ibm.com>
To: linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: penguinppc-team@lists.penguinppc.org
Subject: Re: Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card BOOT?
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:36:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41705F09.4070908@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <416EDA9A.9010809@comcast.net>
Zachary Smith wrote:
> This is a problem of the videocard manufacturers' making which,
> in the spirit of good engineering, they should fix before requiring
> a downstream kludge.
>
> Specifically, ATI, rather than advocate x86 emulation in order
> to use their BIOS on non-x86 machines, should put a pseudocode BIOS
> (something like java bytecode) in the ROM instead, including
> an interpreter of course, perhaps gutting the x86 BIOS calls to use the
> pseudocode routines so there is only one version to maintain.
> And provide an entrypoint for non-x86 CPUs.
Isn't that basically what OpenFirmware is? I think part of the issue is
the x86 compiled BIOS is smaller than the OF BIOS, so they use smaller
(i.e., cheaper) flash on the card. That has prevented people from
re-flashing PC cards with OF images from Mac cards.
I think Digital had the right idea from the beginning: put the x86 BIOS
emulator in the system firmware and be done with it.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-15 23:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-14 19:02 Generic VESA framebuffer driver and Video card BOOT? Kendall Bennett
2004-10-14 19:59 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 23:36 ` Ian Romanick [this message]
2004-10-14 20:48 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 18:05 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 18:55 ` Zachary Smith
2004-10-15 19:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-15 22:22 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 0:27 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 18:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:51 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-15 23:20 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-15 23:51 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 23:58 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 21:15 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-16 1:50 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 2:03 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 19:34 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 20:34 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 20:47 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-18 21:04 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 21:16 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 22:34 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-18 23:28 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 0:18 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-19 0:55 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 1:39 ` Richard Smith
2004-10-19 17:54 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:48 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 17:01 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 19:08 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-21 19:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:42 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 12:05 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-15 12:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-15 12:45 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-19 21:54 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-15 13:13 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-17 12:07 ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-18 8:36 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 11:39 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Martin Waitz
2004-10-18 12:10 ` Gerd Knorr
2004-10-18 20:21 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Helge Hafting
2004-10-18 20:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-10-19 16:57 ` Martin Waitz
2004-10-15 18:29 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2004-10-16 9:01 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-10-15 18:36 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 13:48 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 18:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:44 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-15 22:12 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-16 0:41 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-26 11:14 ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 1:58 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-27 11:11 ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 19:52 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 21:51 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-10-16 17:44 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-18 19:34 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-19 21:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-19 21:11 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 17:01 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 17:31 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 18:44 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-20 19:10 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Pavel Machek
2004-10-21 19:36 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-21 20:47 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Richard Smith
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2004-10-15 20:19 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-15 22:22 ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-15 23:02 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-19 21:09 ` Pavel Machek
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