Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: [PATCH 4/4] simplefb: add clock handling code

[Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>]

Hi,

On 10/02/2014 04:16 PM, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 10/02/2014 03:40 PM, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 10/02/2014 03:27 PM, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/02/2014 02:56 PM, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/02/2014 02:22 PM, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/01/2014 08:12 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/01/2014 11:54 AM, jonsmirl@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've been over all this again and again and again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All solutions provided sofar are both tons more complicated, then the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple solution of simply having the simplefb dt node declare which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clocks it needs. And to make things worse all of them sofar have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unresolved issues (due to their complexity mostly).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the clocks in the simplefb node, then all a real driver has to do,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is claim those same clocks before unregistering the simplefb driver,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and everything will just work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet we've been discussing this for months, all because of some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vague worries from Thierry, and *only* from Thierry that this will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make simplefb less generic / not abstract enough, while a simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generic clocks property is about as generic as things come.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Note: I haven't been following this thread, and really don't have the time to get involved, but I did want to point out one thing:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I think I mentioned very early on in this thread, one of the big concerns when simplefb was merged was that it would slowly grow and become a monster. As such, a condition of merging it was that it would not grow features like resource management at all. That means no clock/regulator/... support. It's intended as a simple stop-gap between early platform bringup and whenever a real driver exists for the HW. If you need resource management, write a HW-specific driver. The list archives presumably have a record of the discussion, but I don't know the links off the top of my head. If nobody
>>>>>>>>>>> other than Thierry is objecting, presumably the people who originally objected simply haven't noticed this patch/thread. I suppose it's possible they changed their mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, there's no reason that the simplefb code couldn't be refactored out into a support library that's used by both the simplefb we currently have and any new HW-specific driver. It's just that the simplefb binding and driver shouldn't grow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The whole reason why we want to use simplefb is not just to get things
>>>>>>>>>> running until HW specific driver is in place, but also to have early console
>>>>>>>>>> output (to help debugging boot problems on devices without a serial console),
>>>>>>>>>> in a world where most video drivers are build as loadable modules, so we
>>>>>>>>>> won't have video output until quite late into the boot process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need both.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) temporary early boot console -- this is nothing but an address in
>>>>>>>>> RAM and the x/y layout. The character set from framebuffer is built
>>>>>>>>> into the kernel.  The parallel to this is early-printk and how it uses
>>>>>>>>> the UARTs without interrupts. This console vaporizes late in the boot
>>>>>>>>> process -- the same thing happens with the early printk UART driver.
>>>>>>>>> EARLYPRINTK on the command line enables this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) a device specific driver -- this sits on initrd and it loaded as
>>>>>>>>> soon as possible. The same thing happens with the real UART driver for
>>>>>>>>> the console. CONSOLE= on the command line causes the transition. There
>>>>>>>>> is an API in the kernel to do this transition, I believe it is called
>>>>>>>>> set_console() but it's been a while.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eventually we need both, yes. But 1) should stay working until 2) loads,
>>>>>>>> not until some phase of the bootup is completed, but simply until 2) loads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, that is where you get into trouble. The device specific driver has
>>>>>>> to go onto initrd where it can be loaded as early in the boot process
>>>>>>> as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an argument in the "you cannot do that" / "your use case is not valid"
>>>>>> category, IOW this is not a technical argument. You say I cannot do that I
>>>>>> say I can, deadlock.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is certainly possible to extend an earlyframebuffer to be able to
>>>>> run as a user space console. It is just going to turn into a
>>>>> Frankenmonster driver with piles of device specific, special case code
>>>>> in it.
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing hardware specific about a framebuffer needing some
>>>> clocks to not be disabled. Tons of SoC's will have this. Which clocks,
>>>> that is hardware specific, but the framebuffer driver does not need to
>>>> worry about that, it just sees a clocks property with some random clocks
>>>> in there, and that is as generic as it gets.
>>>>
>>>>> I think that device specific code belongs in a device specific driver
>>>>> and earlyframebuffer should handoff to it as soon as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've already explained that we not only can do that (we already have working
>>>>>> code proving that), but also that this is something which we absolutely need:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One example why this is necessary is e.g. to debug things where the problem
>>>>>>>> is that the right module is not included in the initrd.
>>>>>
>>>>> A generic earlyframebuffer would show this error.
>>>>
>>>> If it reserves the clocks it needs, yes. If it does not then the clocks will
>>>> be disabled before the initrd starts, and the screen will be black from then
>>>
>>> I thought the clock/regulator clean up happened after initrd loading,
>>> but maybe that is not the case.
>>>
>>> A cleaner solution would then be to modify the clock/regulator clean
>>> up to happen after driver loading is finished from initrd. Deferring
>>> until after that completes is a fixed limit, everything is sitting
>>> there in RAM. I would not propose extending it until harddisk based
>>> loading happens.
>>>
>>> So there are two ways to do this...
>>> 1) modify things like earlyconsole to protect device specific resource
>>> (I think this is a bad idea)
>>
>> Why is this a bad idea? If the bootloader tells us exactly which resources
>> are needed, then earlyconsole can claim them, and release them on
>> handover to the real display driver.

Jon, can you please answer this ? I really really want to know why people
think this is such a bad idea. Understanding why people think this is a bad
idea is necessary to be able to come up with an alternative solution.

>>
>>> 2) delay the clock/regulator cleanup until after there is a fixed
>>> window for device specific drivers to load in. Loading from initrd is
>>> a fixed window.
>>
>> As I already explained by example in another mail, this won't work:
>>
>> "delaying over the initrd is not helpful. Not having the real driver
>> load for whatever reasons, is not necessarily a boot blocking event,
>> and if it us just missing will not lead to any error messages.
>>
>> So the boot will continue normally with a black screen, and things are
>> still impossible to debug."
>>
>> We've been down the whole delay till $random point in time thing in the
>> past with storage enumeration, where you need to wait for say all members
>> of a raid set to show up. The lesson learned from that is that you should
>> not wait $random time / event, but wait for the actual storage device to
>> show up.
>>
>> And this is just like that, we need to wait for the actual display driver
>> to have loaded and taken over before "cleaning up" the clocks used by
>> the display engine.
>>
>> I guess we could just delay all clock cleanup until then, not really
>> pretty, and I still prefer to just list the clocks in the simplefb
>> dtnode, but if this version would be acceptable to all involved, I can
>> live with it.
>>
>> Mike, would a patch adding 2 calls like these to the clock core be
>> acceptable ?  :
>>
>> clk_block_disable_unused()
>> clk_unblock_disable_unused()
>>
>> Where an earlyconsole driver can then call clk_block_disable_unused(),
>> which will turn any calls to clk_disable_unused into a nop.
> 
> Is there a way to use the existing eprobe_defer system to do this?

No, that is not what it is intended for (at all). If we go this way
2 subsystem specific calls for this is the best way to deal with this.

Regards,

Hans