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From: James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Tomasz Stanislawski <t.stanislaws@samsung.com>,
	linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@maxwell.research.nokia.com>,
	Pawel Osciak <pawel@osciak.com>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Marcus Lorentzon <marcus.lorentzon@linaro.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Alexander Deucher <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	Rob Clark <rob@ti.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: Kernel Display and Video API Consolidation mini-summit at ELC 2012 - Notes
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:03:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1202221559510.3721@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2168398.Pv8ir5xFGf@avalon>


> > Imo we should ditch this - fb accel doesn't belong into the kernel. Even
> > on hw that still has a blitter for easy 2d accel without a complete 3d
> > state setup necessary, it's not worth it. Chris Wilson from our team once
> > played around with implementing fb accel in the kernel (i915 hw still has
> > a blitter engine in the latest generations). He quickly noticed that to
> > have decent speed, competitive with s/w rendering by the cpu he needs the
> > entire batch and buffer management stuff from userspace. And to really
> > beat the cpu, you need even more magic.
> > 
> > If you want fast 2d accel, use something like cairo.
> 
> Our conclusion on this is that we should not expose an explicit 2D 
> acceleration API at the kernel level. If really needed, hardware 2D 
> acceleration could be implemented as a DRM device to handle memory management, 
> commands ring setup, synchronization, ... but I'm not even sure if that's 
> worth it. I might not have conveyed it well in my notes.

Fbcon scrolling at be painful at HD or better modes. Fbcon needs 3 
possible accels; copyarea, imageblit, and fillrect. The first two could be 
hooked from the TTM layer. Its something I plan to experiment to see if 
its worth it.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-22 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <201201171126.42675.laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
     [not found] ` <1654816.MX2JJ87BEo@avalon>
2012-02-16 23:25   ` Kernel Display and Video API Consolidation mini-summit at ELC 2012 - Notes Laurent Pinchart
2012-02-17  9:55     ` Daniel Vetter
2012-02-17 18:46       ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-02-22 16:03         ` James Simmons [this message]
2012-02-22 16:24           ` Daniel Vetter
2012-02-22 16:28             ` Rob Clark
2012-02-23  7:34               ` Michel Dänzer
2012-02-22 16:36             ` Chris Wilson
2012-02-22 16:40               ` Clark, Rob
2012-02-22 17:26                 ` James Simmons
2012-02-23  0:15                 ` Alan Cox
2012-02-22 17:00           ` Adam Jackson
2012-02-20 16:09       ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-02-20 16:19         ` David Airlie
2012-05-17  2:46         ` Jun Nie
2012-05-17  7:53           ` Hans Verkuil
2012-02-17 11:19     ` Semwal, Sumit
2012-02-17 18:49       ` Laurent Pinchart
2012-02-17 19:42     ` Adam Jackson
2012-02-18 17:53       ` Clark, Rob
2012-02-18  0:56     ` Keith Packard
2012-02-20 16:40     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-02 14:23     ` Heiko Stübner

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