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From: Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
To: Javier Martinez Canillas <javierm@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Allow disabling all native fbdev drivers and only keeping DRM emulation
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 14:41:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b3e22a11-f711-2073-03b5-f9f38b1e626d@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bkgxdt9h.fsf@minerva.mail-host-address-is-not-set>


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Hi

Am 30.06.23 um 14:33 schrieb Javier Martinez Canillas:
> Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de> writes:
> 
> Hello Thomas,
> 
> Thanks a lot for your review.
> 
>> Hi Javier
>>
>> Am 30.06.23 um 00:51 schrieb Javier Martinez Canillas:
>>> This patch series splits the fbdev core support in two different Kconfig
>>> symbols: FB and FB_CORE. The motivation for this is to allow CONFIG_FB to
>>> be disabled, while still having the the core fbdev support needed for the
>>> CONFIG_DRM_FBDEV_EMULATION to be enabled. The motivation is automatically
>>> disabling all fbdev drivers instead of having to be disabled individually.
>>>
>>> The reason for doing this is that now with simpledrm, there's no need for
>>> the legacy fbdev (e.g: efifb or vesafb) drivers anymore and many distros
>>> now disable them. But it would simplify the config a lot fo have a single
>>> Kconfig symbol to disable all fbdev drivers.
>>
>> I still don't get the point of this change. We've disabled the fbdev
>> drivers once. And they are off now and remain off.
>>
> 
> Yes, but doing that means you have a bunch of these in your kernel config:
> 
> #
> # Frame buffer hardware drivers
> #
> # CONFIG_FB_CIRRUS is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_PM2 is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_ARMCLCD is not set
> ...
> 
> I don't know how the kernel configuration management for the OpenSUSE
> kernel package works, but at least in Fedora this translates to needing to
> have a lot of explicit disable configurations in the form of:
> 
> $ cat redhat/configs/common/generic/CONFIG_FB_CIRRUS
> # CONFIG_FB_CIRRUS is not set
> 
> $ ls redhat/configs/common/generic/CONFIG_FB_* | wc -l
> 61
> 
> I want to get rid of all those and the goal of this series is to reduce
> that configuration to only:
> 
> $ cat redhat/configs/common/generic/CONFIG_FB
> # CONFIG_FB is not set
> 
> $ cat redhat/configs/common/generic/CONFIG_FB_CORE
> CONFIG_FB_CORE=y

We have these 'is not set' lines on our kernel configs, but I don't 
think they bother anyone too much.

Well, thanks for explaining. At least I now see why you want to do this 
change.

> 
>> The patchset now introduces FB_CORE, which just adds more options. But
>> you're not reducing the code or compile time or any thing similar.
>>
> 
> No need for any redhat/configs/common/generic/CONFIG_FB_* because those
> don't need to be explicitly disabled anymore since CONFIG_FB isn't set.
> 
> And the "Frame buffer hardware drivers" section in the .config goes away.
> 
> So it is a configuration simplification even when you can achieve the same
> with the existing Kconfig symbols.
> 
>> I'd like to suggest a change to these patches: rather then making FB and
>> DRM_FBDEV_EMULATION depend on FB_CORE, make them select FB_CORE. That
>> will allow the DRM subsystem to enable framebuffer emulation
>> independently from framebuffer devices. If either has been set, the
>> fbdev core will be selected.
>>
> 
> Yes, I guess that making it a non user-visible option makes sense. I'm
> just wary of using select because I've bitten in the past by circular
> dependencies when other symbol depends on it.
> 
> But I'm OK with that change and will do in v2.

Great, thanks.

Best regards
Thomas

> 
>> Best regards
>> Thomas
>>
> 

-- 
Thomas Zimmermann
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-30 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-29 22:51 [PATCH 0/2] Allow disabling all native fbdev drivers and only keeping DRM emulation Javier Martinez Canillas
2023-06-29 22:51 ` [PATCH 1/2] fbdev: Split frame buffer support in FB and FB_CORE symbols Javier Martinez Canillas
2023-06-30  9:01   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-06-30 10:51     ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2023-06-30 11:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-06-30 12:22         ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2023-06-30 11:19 ` [PATCH 0/2] Allow disabling all native fbdev drivers and only keeping DRM emulation Thomas Zimmermann
2023-06-30 12:33   ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2023-06-30 12:41     ` Thomas Zimmermann [this message]
2023-07-01 19:49   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-06-30 17:31 ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-30 17:38   ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2023-06-30 17:42     ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-30 17:43       ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-06-30 20:29       ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2023-07-03  8:21         ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-07-03  8:43           ` Javier Martinez Canillas

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