From: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
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Subject: RE: [PATCH 00/18] bpf: Secure and authenticated preloading of eBPF programs
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 15:29:37 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0497bb46586c4f37b9bd01950ba9e6a5@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <385e4cf4-4cd1-8f41-5352-ea87a1f419ad@schaufler-ca.com>
> From: Casey Schaufler [mailto:casey@schaufler-ca.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2022 4:50 PM
> On 4/4/2022 10:20 AM, Roberto Sassu wrote:
> >> From: Djalal Harouni [mailto:tixxdz@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 9:45 AM
> >> On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 5:42 PM KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 1:55 AM Alexei Starovoitov
> >>> <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>>> Pinning
> >>>>> them to unreachable inodes intuitively looked the
> >>>>> way to go for achieving the stated goal.
> >>>> We can consider inodes in bpffs that are not unlinkable by root
> >>>> in the future, but certainly not for this use case.
> >>> Can this not be already done by adding a BPF_LSM program to the
> >>> inode_unlink LSM hook?
> >>>
> >> Also, beside of the inode_unlink... and out of curiosity: making
> sysfs/bpffs/
> >> readonly after pinning, then using bpf LSM hooks
> >> sb_mount|remount|unmount...
> >> family combining bpf() LSM hook... isn't this enough to:
> >> 1. Restrict who can pin to bpffs without using a full MAC
> >> 2. Restrict who can delete or unmount bpf filesystem
> >>
> >> ?
> > I'm thinking to implement something like this.
> >
> > First, I add a new program flag called
> > BPF_F_STOP_ONCONFIRM, which causes the ref count
> > of the link to increase twice at creation time. In this way,
> > user space cannot make the link disappear, unless a
> > confirmation is explicitly sent via the bpf() system call.
> >
> > Another advantage is that other LSMs can decide
> > whether or not they allow a program with this flag
> > (in the bpf security hook).
> >
> > This would work regardless of the method used to
> > load the eBPF program (user space or kernel space).
> >
> > Second, I extend the bpf() system call with a new
> > subcommand, BPF_LINK_CONFIRM_STOP, which
> > decreasres the ref count for the link of the programs
> > with the BPF_F_STOP_ONCONFIRM flag. I will also
> > introduce a new security hook (something like
> > security_link_confirm_stop), so that an LSM has the
> > opportunity to deny the stop (the bpf security hook
> > would not be sufficient to determine exactly for
> > which link the confirmation is given, an LSM should
> > be able to deny the stop for its own programs).
>
> Would you please stop referring to a set of eBPF programs
> loaded into the BPF LSM as an LSM? Call it a BPF security
> module (BSM) if you must use an abbreviation. An LSM is a
> provider of security_ hooks. In your case that is BPF. When
> you call the set of eBPF programs an LSM it is like calling
> an SELinux policy an LSM.
An eBPF program could be a provider of security_ hooks
too. The bpf LSM is an aggregator, similarly to your
infrastructure to manage built-in LSMs. Maybe, calling
it second-level LSM or secondary LSM would better
represent this new class.
The only differences are the registration method, (SEC
directive instead of DEFINE_LSM), and what the hook
implementation can access.
The implementation of a security_ hook via eBPF can
follow the same structure of built-in LSMs, i.e. it can be
uniquely responsible for enforcing and be policy-agnostic,
and can retrieve the decisions based on a policy from a
component implemented somewhere else.
Hopefully, I understood the basic principles correctly.
I let the eBPF maintainers comment on this.
Thanks
Roberto
HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH, HRB 56063
Managing Director: Li Peng, Zhong Ronghua
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> > HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH, HRB 56063
> > Managing Director: Li Peng, Zhong Ronghua
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-04-06 0:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-03-28 17:50 [PATCH 00/18] bpf: Secure and authenticated preloading of eBPF programs Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 01/18] bpf: Export bpf_link_inc() Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 02/18] bpf-preload: Move bpf_preload.h to include/linux Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 03/18] bpf-preload: Generalize object pinning from the kernel Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 04/18] bpf-preload: Export and call bpf_obj_do_pin_kernel() Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 05/18] bpf-preload: Generate static variables Roberto Sassu
2022-03-29 23:51 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-03-30 7:44 ` Roberto Sassu
2022-04-04 0:22 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2022-03-30 15:12 ` Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 06/18] bpf-preload: Generate free_objs_and_skel() Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 07/18] bpf-preload: Generate preload() Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 08/18] bpf-preload: Generate load_skel() Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 09/18] bpf-preload: Generate code to pin non-internal maps Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 10/18] bpf-preload: Generate bpf_preload_ops Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 11/18] bpf-preload: Store multiple bpf_preload_ops structures in a linked list Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 12/18] bpf-preload: Implement new registration method for preloading eBPF programs Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 13/18] bpf-preload: Move pinned links and maps to a dedicated directory in bpffs Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 14/18] bpf-preload: Switch to new preload registration method Roberto Sassu
2022-03-29 2:35 ` kernel test robot
2022-03-29 3:27 ` kernel test robot
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 15/18] bpf-preload: Generate code of kernel module to preload Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 16/18] bpf-preload: Do kernel mount to ensure that pinned objects don't disappear Roberto Sassu
2022-03-29 2:15 ` kernel test robot
2022-03-29 4:08 ` kernel test robot
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 17/18] bpf-preload/selftests: Add test for automatic generation of preload methods Roberto Sassu
2022-03-28 17:50 ` [PATCH 18/18] bpf-preload/selftests: Preload a test eBPF program and check pinned objects Roberto Sassu
2022-03-29 23:51 ` [PATCH 00/18] bpf: Secure and authenticated preloading of eBPF programs Andrii Nakryiko
2022-03-30 7:21 ` Roberto Sassu
2022-03-31 2:27 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-03-31 8:25 ` Roberto Sassu
2022-04-01 23:55 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-04-02 1:03 ` KP Singh
2022-04-04 7:44 ` Djalal Harouni
2022-04-04 17:20 ` Roberto Sassu
2022-04-04 22:49 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-04-05 0:00 ` KP Singh
2022-04-05 13:11 ` [POC][USER SPACE][PATCH] Introduce LSM to protect pinned objects Roberto Sassu
2022-04-05 22:47 ` Casey Schaufler
2022-04-06 6:55 ` Roberto Sassu
2022-04-05 14:49 ` [PATCH 00/18] bpf: Secure and authenticated preloading of eBPF programs Casey Schaufler
2022-04-05 15:29 ` Roberto Sassu [this message]
2022-04-05 16:21 ` Casey Schaufler
2022-04-05 16:37 ` KP Singh
2022-04-04 17:41 ` Roberto Sassu
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