From: "Frank Filz" <ffilzlnx@mindspring.com>
To: "'Amir Goldstein'" <amir73il@gmail.com>,
"'Kent Overstreet'" <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: "'Theodore Ts'o'" <tytso@mit.edu>,
"'Donald Buczek'" <buczek@molgen.mpg.de>,
"'Dave Chinner'" <david@fromorbit.com>,
"'NeilBrown'" <neilb@suse.de>, <linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org>,
"'Stefan Krueger'" <stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de>,
"'David Howells'" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: file handle in statx
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:18:02 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b5d01da2d2f$ee5df9e0$cb19eda0$@mindspring.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxgcUQE9Ldg8rodMXJvbU9BDCC9wGED0jANGrC-OLY1HJQ@mail.gmail.com>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 7:44 PM Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 09:15:29AM -0800, Frank Filz wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 10:10:23AM +0100, Donald Buczek wrote:
> > > > > On 12/12/23 06:53, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > So can someone please explain to me why we need to try to
> > > > > > re-invent a generic filehandle concept in statx when we
> > > > > > already have a have working and widely supported user API that
> > > > > > provides exactly this functionality?
> > > > >
> > > > > name_to_handle_at() is fine, but userspace could profit from
> > > > > being able to retrieve the filehandle together with the other
> > > > > metadata in a single system call.
> > > >
> > > > Can you say more? What, specifically is the application that
> > > > would want
> > > to do
> > > > that, and is it really in such a hot path that it would be a
> > > > user-visible improveable, let aloine something that can be actually be
> measured?
> > >
> > > A user space NFS server like Ganesha could benefit from getting
> > > attributes and file handle in a single system call.
> > >
> > > Potentially it could also avoid some of the challenges of using
> > > name_to_handle_at that is a privileged operation.
> >
> > which begs the question - why is name_to_handle_at() privileged?
> >
>
> AFAICT, it is not privileged.
> Only open_by_handle_at() is privileged.
Ah, that makes sense. I'm a consumer of these interfaces, not so much in the kernel these days.
Ganesha depends on open_by_handle_at as well, so requires privilege to do handle stuff with kernel file systems.
In any case, Ganesha could easily benefit from a savings of system calls.
What would also be handy is a read directory with attributes that gave the statx results for each entry.
Frank
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2023-12-11 23:32 ` file handle in statx (was: Re: How to cope with subvolumes and snapshots on muti-user systems?) Kent Overstreet
2023-12-11 23:53 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 0:05 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 0:59 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 1:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 2:13 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 2:24 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 9:08 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 5:53 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 6:32 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-12-12 8:56 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 15:16 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 15:29 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 15:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 15:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 15:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 15:57 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 16:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 16:30 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 16:41 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 21:53 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-13 9:41 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 21:46 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-13 9:47 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-13 10:04 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-14 22:47 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-15 0:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 9:10 ` David Howells
2023-12-12 9:23 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 9:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 9:35 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 9:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 13:47 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 14:06 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 15:24 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 15:28 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 9:46 ` David Howells
2023-12-12 9:10 ` file handle in statx Donald Buczek
2023-12-12 15:20 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-12-12 17:15 ` Frank Filz
2023-12-12 17:44 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 18:17 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-12-12 19:18 ` Frank Filz [this message]
2023-12-12 20:59 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 21:57 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 22:23 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 22:36 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 22:39 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 23:44 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-13 0:00 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 7:37 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-13 12:28 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 13:48 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-19 7:41 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-12 15:21 ` file handle in statx (was: Re: How to cope with subvolumes and snapshots on muti-user systems?) Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 20:48 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 21:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 22:10 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 22:31 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 23:06 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 23:42 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 0:03 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 22:00 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 7:03 ` David Howells
2023-12-12 0:25 ` David Howells
2023-12-11 23:40 ` David Howells
2023-12-12 20:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 22:57 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 23:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 0:02 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-13 0:14 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 22:45 ` Andreas Dilger
2023-12-13 23:24 ` Kent Overstreet
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