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From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Subject: Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:35:03 -0400
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On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 16:51, Jeremy Allison wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:47:46PM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> > Jeremy Allison wrote:
> > > > I meant when I copy not using Samba.  For example, I copy the .doc
> > > > file in Windows NT to an FTP server.
> > > > 
> > > > Does the FTP operation magically linearise the .doc streams on demand?
> > > > Or does FTP lose part of the Word document?
> > > 
> > > Good question. It depends if the Microsoft ftp client is streams-aware,
> > > and understands the Microsoft OLE structured storage format and will do
> > > the linearisation on demand or not. I must confess I haven't tested this,
> > > as I don't ever run Windows other than on vmware sessions for Samba testing
> > > these days :-).
> > > 
> > > Probably a non-Microsoft ftp client would lose part of the word doc.
> > 
> > So you're saying SCP, CVS, Subversion, Bitkeeper, Apache and rsyncd
> > will _all_ lose part of a Word document when they handle it on a
> > Window box?
> > 
> > Ouch!
> 
> Yep. It's the meta data that Word stores in streams that will get lost.
> 

This is shocking.  When was this behavior introduced?

Lee