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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Sage Weil <sage@newdream.net>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Brad Boyer <flar@allandria.com>,
	Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>,
	Gary Grider <ggrider@lanl.gov>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:15:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1165245336.711.176.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061204073200.GB5637@schatzie.adilger.int>

On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 00:32 -0700, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > I'm wondering if a corresponding opendirplus() (or similar) would also be 
> > appropriate to inform the kernel/filesystem that readdirplus() will 
> > follow, and stat information should be gathered/buffered.  Or do most 
> > implementations wait for the first readdir() before doing any actual work 
> > anyway?
> 
> I'm not sure what some filesystems might do here.  I suppose NFS has weak
> enough cache semantics that it _might_ return stale cached data from the
> client in order to fill the readdirplus() data, but it is just as likely
> that it ships the whole thing to the server and returns everything in
> one shot.  That would imply everything would be at least as up-to-date
> as the opendir().

Whether or not the posix committee decides on readdirplus, I propose
that we implement this sort of thing in the kernel via a readdir
equivalent to posix_fadvise(). That can give exactly the barrier
semantics that they are asking for, and only costs 1 extra syscall as
opposed to 2 (opendirplus() and readdirplus()).

Cheers
  Trond


  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-04 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-28  4:34 NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Gary Grider
2006-11-28  5:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-28 10:54   ` Andreas Dilger
2006-11-28 11:28     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-11-28 20:17     ` Russell Cattelan
2006-11-28 23:28     ` Wendy Cheng
2006-11-29  9:12       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:14     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29  9:48     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-11-29 10:18       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-11-29  8:26         ` Brad Boyer
2006-11-30  9:25           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-30 17:49             ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01  5:26               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01  7:08                 ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 14:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 16:47                     ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 18:07                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 18:42                         ` Sage Weil
2006-12-01 19:13                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-01 20:32                             ` Sage Weil
2006-12-04 18:02                           ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 23:20                             ` readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API Sage Weil
2006-12-06 15:48                               ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-03  1:57                         ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Andreas Dilger
2006-12-03  7:34                           ` Kari Hurtta
2006-12-03  1:52                     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-03 16:10                       ` Sage Weil
2006-12-04  7:32                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-04 15:15                           ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2006-12-05  0:59                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05  4:44                               ` Gary Grider
2006-12-05 10:05                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05  5:56                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 10:07                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 14:20                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 15:04                                     ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 15:44                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 16:15                                         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 14:55                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 22:11                                     ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 23:24                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 16:42                                         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 12:22                                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-06 15:14                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 16:55                                   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 22:12                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-06 23:12                                       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-06 23:33                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 21:50                                   ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 22:05                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 23:18                                       ` Sage Weil
2006-12-05 23:55                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-06 10:06                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 17:19                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-06 17:27                                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 17:42                                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-06 18:01                                                 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-06 18:13                                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-17 14:41                                                     ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-17 19:07                                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-17 19:38                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-17 21:51                                                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-18  2:57                                                             ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2006-12-18  3:54                                                               ` Gary Grider
2006-12-07  5:57                                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-15 22:37                                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-16 18:13                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-16 19:08                                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-14 23:58                                         ` statlite() Rob Ross
2006-12-07 23:39                                       ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Nikita Danilov
2006-12-05 14:37                               ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 10:26                             ` readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API Andreas Dilger
2006-12-05 15:23                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 10:28                                 ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 15:10                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-05 17:06                               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 22:48                                 ` Rob Ross
2006-11-29 10:25       ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Steven Whitehouse
2006-11-30 12:29         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-01 15:52       ` Ric Wheeler
2006-11-29 12:23     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-11-29 12:35       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-11-29 16:26         ` Gary Grider
2006-11-29 17:18           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-11-29 12:39       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-01 22:29         ` Rob Ross
2006-12-02  2:35           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05  0:37             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 10:02               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 16:47               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 17:01                 ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                   ` <f158dc670612050909m366594c5ubaa87d9a9ecc8c2a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-05 17:10                     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-05 17:39                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-05 21:55                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-05 21:50                   ` Peter Staubach
2006-12-05 21:44                 ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 11:01                   ` openg Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-06 15:41                     ` openg Trond Myklebust
2006-12-06 15:42                     ` openg Rob Ross
2006-12-06 23:32                       ` openg Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 23:36                         ` openg Rob Ross
2006-12-06 23:25                   ` Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-06  9:48                 ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 15:53                   ` openg and path_to_handle Rob Ross
2006-12-06 16:04                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 16:20                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 20:57                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 20:40                     ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 20:50                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 21:09                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 22:09                         ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 22:17                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-06 22:41                             ` Andreas Dilger
2006-12-06 23:39                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-14 22:52                             ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 20:50                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-06 21:01                         ` David Chinner
2006-12-06 23:19                     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-12-14 21:00                       ` Rob Ross
2006-12-14 21:20                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-12-14 23:02                           ` Rob Ross
2006-11-28 15:08 ` NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards Matthew Wilcox

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