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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: "Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org>,
	Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@infradead.org>, CaT <cat@zip.com.au>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	Dongjun Shin <djshin90@gmail.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Albert Cahalan <acahalan@gmail.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	Ondrej Zajicek <santiago@crfreenet.org>,
	Ulisses Furquim <ulissesf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Patch 04/18] include/linux/logfs.h
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:38:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1180964303.25232.358.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070604091245.GF14823@lazybastard.org>

On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 11:12 +0200, Jörn Engel wrote:
> On Sun, 3 June 2007 23:42:25 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 June 2007, Jörn Engel wrote:
> > > +struct logfs_je_spillout {
> > > +       __be64  so_segment[0];
> > > +}__packed;
> > 
> > All the on-disk data structures you define in this file have naturally
> > aligned members, so the __packed attribute is not needed.
> 
> Amen.  It is purely paranoia and I don't even know who is out to get me.

You can _never_ know who is out to get you, or what architecture we'll
be ported to next week.

The advice "don't tell the compiler what you want unless you _know_
it'll do the wrong thing otherwise" runs counter to everything we've
learned, slowly and painfully, over the last few years.

We should never rely on compiler behaviour which is undocumented and
unrequired. Even if you know that the ABI forces it to continue to do
the right thing on the platforms you _currently_ care about, it might
not do it on new platforms (or existing platforms you didn't manage to
test).

It would be better if GCC had a 'nopadding' attribute which gave us what
we need without the _extra_ implications about alignment. In the absence
of that, though, you should at _least_ have a check on the size of the
structure if you're doing to drop the packed attribute.

-- 
dwmw2

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-04 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-03 18:38 LogFS take four Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:40 ` [Patch 01/18] fs/Kconfig Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:40 ` [Patch 02/18] fs/Makefile Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:41 ` [Patch 03/18] fs/logfs/Makefile Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:42 ` [Patch 04/18] include/linux/logfs.h Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:42   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:12     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04 13:38       ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2007-06-04 14:02         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-05 15:49         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-06-05 15:53           ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-05 18:49             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-06-06  8:50               ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-06  8:59                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-06 12:42                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-05 20:39           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-03 18:43 ` [Patch 05/18] fs/logfs/logfs.h Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:50   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  8:17     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-04  9:11     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-06 11:29   ` Paulo Marques
2007-06-06 11:29     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:43 ` [Patch 06/18] fs/logfs/compr.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:58   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  8:54     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04 13:53       ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-03 18:44 ` [Patch 07/18] fs/logfs/dir.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  8:59   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:57     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:45 ` [Patch 08/18] fs/logfs/file.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:46 ` [Patch 09/18] fs/logfs/gc.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:07   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:01     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  9:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:14     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 13:03       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-03 18:46 ` [Patch 10/18] fs/logfs/inode.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 17:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 17:40     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:28     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:51       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-11 23:57         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:47 ` [Patch 11/18] fs/logfs/journal.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:47 ` [Patch 12/18] fs/logfs/memtree.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:48 ` [Patch 13/18] fs/logfs/readwrite.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:48 ` [Patch 14/18] fs/logfs/segment.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:21   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:07     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:49 ` [Patch 15/18] fs/logfs/super.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 16:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 17:38     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 18:33       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 19:10         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 19:20           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-06-03 18:50 ` [Patch 16/18] fs/logfs/progs/fsck.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:50 ` [Patch 17/18] fs/logfs/progs/mkfs.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:51 ` [Patch 18/18] fs/logfs/Locking Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 19:17 ` LogFS take four Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-06-03 19:19   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:18 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:05   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  8:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:10   ` Jörn Engel

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