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From: Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>
To: Dave Kleikamp <shaggy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [patch][rfc] fs: fix nobh error handling
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:39:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1186583982.20310.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1186578456.6657.11.camel@norville.austin.ibm.com>

On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 08:07 -0500, Dave Kleikamp wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 05:12 +0200, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 07:33:47PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 04:18:38 +0200 Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 06:09:03PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > With this change, nobh_prepare_write() can magically attach buffers to the
> > > > > page.  But a filesystem which is running in nobh mode wouldn't expect that,
> > > > > and could quite legitimately go BUG, or leak data or, more seriously and
> > > > > much less fixably, just go and overwrite page->private, because it "knows"
> > > > > that nobody else is using ->private.
> > > > 
> > > > I was fairly sure that a filesystem can not assume buffers won't be
> > > > attached, because there are various error case paths thta do exactly
> > > > the same thing (eg. nobh_writepage can call __block_write_full_page
> > > > which will attach buffers). 
> > > 
> > > oh crap, that's sad.  Either we broke it later on or I misremembered.
> > > 
> > > > Does any filesystem assume this? Is it not already broken?
> > > 
> > > Yes, it would be broken.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I'd have thought that it would be better to not attach the buffers and to
> > > > > go ahead and do whatever synchronous IO is needed in the error recovery
> > > > > code, then free those buffers again.
> > > > 
> > > > It is hard because if the synchronous IO fails, then what do you do?
> > > 
> > > Do what we usually do when an IO error happens: crash the kernel?  (Sorry,
> > > have been spending too long at bugzilla.kernel.org)
> > 
> > Heh.. I guess there is still a chance to retry the IO with sync or
> > fsync. I'mt not surprised if the "normal" pagecache error handling
> > paths doesn't work so well either, but at least if we can duplicate
> > as little code as possible it might get fixed up one day.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > You could try making it up as you go along, but of course if we _can_
> > > > attach the buffers here then it would be preferable to do that. IMO.
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > > Also, you have a couple of (cheerily uncommented) PagePrivate() tests in
> > > > > there which should be page_has_buffers().
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah, I guess the whole thing needs more commenting :P
> > > > page_has_buffers... right, I'll change that.
> > > 
> > > Did it get much testing?
> > 
> > A little. Obviously it only really changes anything when an IO error hits,
> > and I found that ext3/jbd gives up and goes readonly pretty quickly when I
> > inject IO errors into the block device. What I really want to do is just
> > inject faults at nobh_prepare_write and do some longer tests.
> > 
> > I'll do that today. 
> 
> For jfs's sake, I don't really care if it ever uses nobh again.  I
> originally started using it because I figured the movement was away from
> buffer heads and jfs seemed just as happy with the nobh functions (after
> a few bugs were flushed out).  I don't think jfs really benefitted
> though.
> 
> That said, I don't really know who cares about the nobh option in ext3.
> 

Actually IBM/LTC use the nobh option in ext3 on our internal kernel
development server, to control the consumption of large amount of low
memory space.


Mingming


  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-08 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-07  5:51 [patch][rfc] fs: fix nobh error handling Nick Piggin
2007-08-08  1:09 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-08  2:18   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-08  2:33     ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-08  3:12       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-08 13:07         ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-08-08 14:39           ` Mingming Cao [this message]
2007-08-09  1:45             ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-20  4:33       ` Nick Piggin

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