From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, chris.mason@oracle.com,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] fast file mapping for loop
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:52:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1199958771.29498.4.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080110094941.GV6258@kernel.dk>
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 10:49 +0100, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10 2008, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 08:37 +0000, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> >
> > > Peter, any chance you could chime in here?
> >
> > I have this patch to add swap_out/_in methods. I expect we can loosen
> > the requirement for swapcache pages and change the name a little.
> >
> > previously posted here:
> > http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/4/143
> >
> > ---
> > Subject: mm: add support for non block device backed swap files
> >
> > New addres_space_operations methods are added:
> > int swapfile(struct address_space *, int);
> > int swap_out(struct file *, struct page *, struct writeback_control *);
> > int swap_in(struct file *, struct page *);
> >
> > When during sys_swapon() the swapfile() method is found and returns no error
> > the swapper_space.a_ops will proxy to sis->swap_file->f_mapping->a_ops, and
> > make use of swap_{out,in}() to write/read swapcache pages.
> >
> > The swapfile method will be used to communicate to the address_space that the
> > VM relies on it, and the address_space should take adequate measures (like
> > reserving memory for mempools or the like).
> >
> > This new interface can be used to obviate the need for ->bmap in the swapfile
> > code. A filesystem would need to load (and maybe even allocate) the full block
> > map for a file into memory and pin it there on ->swapfile(,1) so that
> > ->swap_{out,in}() have instant access to it. It can be released on
> > ->swapfile(,0).
>
> So this is where I don't think that's good enough, you cannot require a
> full block/extent mapping of a file on setup. It can take quite some
> time, a little testing I did here easily took 5 seconds for only a
> couple of gigabytes. And that wasn't even worst case for that size. It
> also wastes memory by populating extents that we may never read or
> write.
>
> If you look at the loop addition I did, it populates lazily as needed
> with some very simple logic to populate-ahead. In practice that performs
> as well as a pre-populated map, the first IO to a given range will just
> be a little slower since we have to bmap() it.
>
> Do you have plans to improve this area?
Nope, for swap it _must_ be there, there is just no way we can do block
allocation on swapout.
That said, the swapfile() interface can be used to pre-populate the
extend/block mapping, and when using swap_(in/out) without it, it can be
done lazily.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-10 9:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-09 8:52 [PATCH][RFC] fast file mapping for loop Jens Axboe
2008-01-09 9:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-01-09 9:43 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-09 11:00 ` Chris Mason
2008-01-09 15:34 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-10 8:43 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-09 23:16 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-01-10 8:31 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 8:42 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-11 7:39 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-01-11 7:58 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 12:47 ` Chris Mason
2008-01-10 12:57 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 23:01 ` Neil Brown
2008-01-11 14:21 ` Chris Mason
2008-01-10 1:42 ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-10 8:34 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 8:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-01-10 8:44 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 8:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-01-10 9:01 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 12:53 ` Chris Mason
2008-01-10 13:03 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 13:46 ` Chris Mason
2008-01-10 9:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-10 9:49 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 9:52 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-01-10 10:02 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-10 10:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-11 1:25 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-01-11 18:17 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-11 18:23 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-14 17:10 ` Chris Mason
2008-01-14 17:54 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-15 9:25 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-15 9:36 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-15 10:07 ` Jens Axboe
2008-01-15 14:04 ` Chris Mason
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2008-01-09 23:53 ` Alasdair G Kergon
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