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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Xavier Bestel <xavier.bestel@free.fr>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	me@bobcopeland.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] OMFS filesystem version 3
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:36:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1208169415.31695.51.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080414032232.bc36ba5b.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 03:22 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Not so.  There is a habit of treating corporate developers as somehow
> inferior to the purer old-timers.  I know - people have told me.  Quite
> often. 

I'm not sure I agree. There is a habit of treating people who post crap
code as somehow inferior to the purer old-timers, certainly. And that's
probably not such a good thing, but at least it helps to keep the
signal:noise ratio down a little, overall.

But except to the extent that there is a correlation between 'corporate
developers' and 'people who post crap code', I wouldn't agree with your
statement above. 

We have a lot of people working for large corporations who don't post
crap code, and to whom Christoph almost never promotes an attitude of
violence. Looking at Jon's 'who wrote 2.6.23' analysis, I see quite a
lot of successful 'corporate' involvement.

> And for various reasons, those people feel limited in their options
> for standing up for themselves.

Anyone trying to defend crap code _should_ be limited in their options,
surely? And sometimes, 'corporate developers' do try to defend crap
code, because they've made traditional corporate mistakes like
developing it all in private and presenting it as a fait accomplis
without proper a priori review, and/or haven't budgeted for the
necessary time to fix it.

-- 
dwmw2


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-14 10:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-12 22:58 [PATCH 0/7] OMFS filesystem version 3 Bob Copeland
2008-04-13  0:03 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13  3:33   ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-13  3:55     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13  4:41       ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-13  8:01       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-13  8:20         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13  8:28           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-13 10:37             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-13 21:15               ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-13 22:44                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 22:49                   ` Alan Cox
2008-04-13 23:10                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  1:32                       ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-14  5:48                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:16                       ` Alan Cox
2008-04-14  8:36                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:41                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 14:20                           ` Chris Mason
2008-04-14 16:36                             ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-14 16:51                               ` Alan Cox
2008-04-14 17:18                                 ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-14 17:22                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-04-14 20:29                             ` david
2008-04-18 13:13                               ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-14 20:55                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-14 21:11                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:32                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-14 23:21                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 23:09                               ` SL Baur
2008-04-14 23:24                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:30                       ` Xavier Bestel
2008-04-14  8:43                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  8:44                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  9:08                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:09                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:21                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:09                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-14 10:22                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:36                                   ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2008-04-14 11:16                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-15 15:16                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-15 16:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-15 18:34                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 18:53                             ` Alan Cox
2008-04-15 20:02                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 19:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-15 21:46                                   ` david m. richter
2008-04-15 19:24                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-15 20:11                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 20:27                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14  7:25                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14  7:49                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:11                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14  8:11                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-04-14  8:26                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14  9:42                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-14  9:58                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 11:05                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-14 12:50                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 11:55                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-14 11:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 12:26                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14 22:35                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-15 11:33                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-15 15:23                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-17  1:08                                 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-17  6:50                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-17  8:17                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-14  0:45               ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-14  7:35                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-18 10:30                 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-18 11:52                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-18 12:20                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-18 12:57                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-18 16:01                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-18 16:15                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-04-18 13:51                   ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-18 14:23                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-04-18 14:43                       ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-18 17:35                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-18 17:48                       ` Bob Copeland
2008-04-18 12:46             ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-13  9:04     ` Alan Cox
2008-04-13 10:00     ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-15  3:14     ` Erez Zadok
     [not found] <14725485.776281208170999085.JavaMail.szaka@kolumbus.fi>
2008-04-14 12:46 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-14 13:15   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-04-14 16:12     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
     [not found] <10224488.783261208172602425.JavaMail.szaka@kolumbus.fi>
2008-04-15  0:11 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-04-15 15:05   ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found] <aiwLk-3mc-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <aiwLk-3mc-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <aiwLk-3mc-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2008-04-16  9:56     ` Bodo Eggert

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