From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Woodhouse Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] OMFS filesystem version 3 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:36:55 +0100 Message-ID: <1208169415.31695.51.camel@pmac.infradead.org> References: <20080413080130.GA9622@infradead.org> <20080413012001.8d7967f4.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080413082815.GA20108@infradead.org> <1208121358.2700.4.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <20080413154459.4b2f125d.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080413234920.63711ca7@core> <20080413161014.cb06964c.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <1208161859.3596.75.camel@skunk.anacadf.mentorg.com> <20080414014445.5b4a7b22.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080414090945.GA18494@infradead.org> <20080414022108.92ce9b1d.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <1208167786.31695.34.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080414032232.bc36ba5b.akpm@linux-foundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Xavier Bestel , Alan Cox , Miklos Szeredi , me@bobcopeland.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org To: Andrew Morton Return-path: Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([18.85.46.34]:58371 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751507AbYDNKhD (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:37:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20080414032232.bc36ba5b.akpm@linux-foundation.org> Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 03:22 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > Not so. There is a habit of treating corporate developers as somehow > inferior to the purer old-timers. I know - people have told me. Quite > often. I'm not sure I agree. There is a habit of treating people who post crap code as somehow inferior to the purer old-timers, certainly. And that's probably not such a good thing, but at least it helps to keep the signal:noise ratio down a little, overall. But except to the extent that there is a correlation between 'corporate developers' and 'people who post crap code', I wouldn't agree with your statement above. We have a lot of people working for large corporations who don't post crap code, and to whom Christoph almost never promotes an attitude of violence. Looking at Jon's 'who wrote 2.6.23' analysis, I see quite a lot of successful 'corporate' involvement. > And for various reasons, those people feel limited in their options > for standing up for themselves. Anyone trying to defend crap code _should_ be limited in their options, surely? And sometimes, 'corporate developers' do try to defend crap code, because they've made traditional corporate mistakes like developing it all in private and presenting it as a fait accomplis without proper a priori review, and/or haven't budgeted for the necessary time to fix it. -- dwmw2