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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, gilad@codefidence.com,
	matthew@wil.cx
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:20:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1218622819.2977.254.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080812181055.GB21341@shareable.org>

On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 19:10 +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Wouldn't an explicit barrier be (a) slow if it's a hard-barrier, and
> (b) as a soft-barrier, overly constrain scheduling, because the only
> ordering required is against a subsequent overlapping write?

Yes, a soft barrier is more than we need -- but unless we do a lot of
work in the schedulers to ensure that writes can't cross discards,
that's the best option we have.

> Explicit soft or hard barrier *before* DISCARD does need to be an
> option.  Think of journalling: Step 1 = commit "deleted file" to
> journal, 2 = hard barrier, 3 = DISCARD file data.  Barrier after does
> not seem to be required.

The barrier afterwards is to protect against immediate reallocation of
these blocks to a new inode, and the associated data write getting
scheduled _before_ the discard.

-- 
dwmw2


  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-13 10:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-09 16:26 [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2 David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:29 ` [PATCH 1/7] [BLOCK] Fix typo causing compile error in blk_queue_bounce() David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:30 ` [PATCH 2/7] [BLOCK] Fix up comments about matching flags between bio and rq David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:30 ` [PATCH 3/7] [BLOCK] Add 'discard' request handling David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 20:39   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-09 21:37     ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-10  6:32     ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:31 ` [PATCH 4/7] [FAT] Let the block device know when sectors can be discarded David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:32 ` [PATCH 5/7] [MTD] Support 'discard sectors' operation in translation layer support core David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:33 ` [PATCH 6/7] [MTD] [FTL] Support 'discard sectors' operation David Woodhouse
2008-08-09 16:33 ` [PATCH 7/7] [BLOCK] Allow elevators to sort/merge discard requests David Woodhouse
2008-10-03 20:29   ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-07 12:07     ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-09 22:48 ` [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2 OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-10 10:25   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 16:37     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-10 17:55       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-10 20:07         ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 21:40           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-11  9:40             ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-11 10:25               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-11 13:17                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-11 14:21                   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-10 10:29 ` [PATCH 8/7] blktrace: support discard requests David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 10:35   ` [USERSPACE PATCH] " David Woodhouse
2008-08-15  8:43     ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-15  9:01       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-15  9:08         ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-10 10:41   ` [PATCH 8/7] " David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 11:17     ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-10 11:48 ` [PATCH 9/7] blktrace: simplify flags handling in __blk_add_trace David Woodhouse
2008-08-10 11:50   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-11 15:11 ` [PATCH 10/7] [BLOCK] Add BLKDISCARD ioctl to allow userspace to discard sectors David Woodhouse
2008-08-11 18:27   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-11 20:52   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12  9:14 ` [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2 Jens Axboe
2008-08-12 10:00   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 10:54     ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-12 11:16       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 12:19         ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 12:53           ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-12 13:04             ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 15:47               ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 18:04                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-13 10:22                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 12:19                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-13 12:26                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 11:15                 ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-13 11:23                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 11:32                     ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-13 11:34                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 12:07                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-14  7:49                         ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-14  7:52                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-14  7:25                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-14  7:33                         ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-08-14  7:37                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-14  7:42                           ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-14  7:46                             ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-08-12 18:10     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-13 10:20       ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2008-08-12 11:42   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-12 11:46     ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-12 19:53   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-12 20:11     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-13 11:39 ` [PATCH 11/7] Kill REQ_TYPE_FLUSH David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 11:58   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-13 12:43     ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-13 15:40   ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-13 15:46     ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-16 17:08 ` [PATCH 0/2] MMC discard support (was [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2) Pierre Ossman
2008-08-16 17:11   ` [PATCH 1/2] mmc_block: factor out the mmc request handling Pierre Ossman
2008-08-16 17:12   ` [PATCH 2/2] mmc_block: erase discarded blocks Pierre Ossman
2008-08-16 17:38   ` [PATCH 0/2] MMC discard support (was [PATCH 0/7] Discard requests, v2) David Woodhouse
2008-08-16 17:51     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-22  9:24   ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-22  9:45     ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-22 10:50       ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-22 10:58         ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-22 11:11           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-22 11:19             ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-22 11:13     ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-22 11:20       ` Jens Axboe
2008-08-22 14:49         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-22 23:02           ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-22 23:59             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2008-08-24 11:23               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-08-24 13:39                 ` OGAWA Hirofumi

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