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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT and barriers
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:06:10 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1250867170.7363.17.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090821142008.GA30617@infradead.org>

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 10:20 -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 01:40:10PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > I've talked to Chris about this in the past too, but I never got around
> > to benchmarking FUA for O_DIRECT. It should be pretty easy to wire up
> > without making too many changes, and we do have FUA support on most SATA
> > drives too. Basically just a check in the driver for whether the
> > request is O_DIRECT and a WRITE, ala:
> > 
> >         if (rq_data_dir(rq) == WRITE && rq_is_sync(rq))
> >                 WRITE_FUA;
> > 
> > I know that FUA is used by that other OS, so I think we should be golden
> > on the hw support side.
> 
> Just doing FUA should be pretty easy, in fact from my reading of the
> code we already use FUA for barriers if supported, that is only drain
> the queue, do a pre-flush for a barrier and then issue the actual
> barrier write as FUA.

I've never really understood why FUA is considered equivalent to a
barrier.  Our barrier semantics are that all I/Os before the barrier
should be safely on disk after the barrier executes.  The FUA semantics
are that *this write* should be safely on disk after it executes ... it
can still leave preceding writes in the cache.  I can see that if you're
only interested in metadata that making every metadata write a FUA and
leaving the cache to sort out data writes does give FS image
consistency.

How does FUA give us linux barrier semantics?

James



  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-21 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1250697884-22288-1-git-send-email-jack@suse.cz>
2009-08-20 22:12 ` O_DIRECT and barriers Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 11:40   ` Jens Axboe
2009-08-21 13:54     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:24         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 17:45           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 19:18             ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-22  0:50             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22  2:19               ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-22  2:31                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24  2:34               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 14:34                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27 17:10                   ` adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 17:24                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 15:46                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:06                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:33                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:41                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 20:51                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 21:08                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:16                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 21:29                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:43                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 22:39                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-30 16:44                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:46                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29  0:59                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:44                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:50                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 21:08                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-30 16:58                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-30 17:48                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:06                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:46                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 22:08         ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-21 22:38           ` Joel Becker
2009-08-21 22:45           ` Joel Becker
2009-08-22  2:11             ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24  2:42               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-24  2:37             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-22  0:56           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22  2:06             ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-26  6:34           ` Dave Chinner
2009-08-26 15:01             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-26 18:47               ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-27 14:50                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:06       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2009-08-21 15:23         ` Christoph Hellwig

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