From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT and barriers
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:06:10 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1250867170.7363.17.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090821142008.GA30617@infradead.org>
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 10:20 -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 01:40:10PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > I've talked to Chris about this in the past too, but I never got around
> > to benchmarking FUA for O_DIRECT. It should be pretty easy to wire up
> > without making too many changes, and we do have FUA support on most SATA
> > drives too. Basically just a check in the driver for whether the
> > request is O_DIRECT and a WRITE, ala:
> >
> > if (rq_data_dir(rq) == WRITE && rq_is_sync(rq))
> > WRITE_FUA;
> >
> > I know that FUA is used by that other OS, so I think we should be golden
> > on the hw support side.
>
> Just doing FUA should be pretty easy, in fact from my reading of the
> code we already use FUA for barriers if supported, that is only drain
> the queue, do a pre-flush for a barrier and then issue the actual
> barrier write as FUA.
I've never really understood why FUA is considered equivalent to a
barrier. Our barrier semantics are that all I/Os before the barrier
should be safely on disk after the barrier executes. The FUA semantics
are that *this write* should be safely on disk after it executes ... it
can still leave preceding writes in the cache. I can see that if you're
only interested in metadata that making every metadata write a FUA and
leaving the cache to sort out data writes does give FS image
consistency.
How does FUA give us linux barrier semantics?
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-21 15:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <1250697884-22288-1-git-send-email-jack@suse.cz>
2009-08-20 22:12 ` O_DIRECT and barriers Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 11:40 ` Jens Axboe
2009-08-21 13:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:24 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 17:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 19:18 ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-22 0:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22 2:19 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-22 2:31 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 2:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 14:34 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27 17:10 ` adding proper O_SYNC/O_DSYNC, was " Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-27 17:24 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 15:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:06 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 16:33 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 16:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 20:51 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-28 21:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:16 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 21:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-28 21:43 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-08-28 22:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-30 16:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29 0:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 16:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 21:08 ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-08-30 16:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-30 17:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:06 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-28 23:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 22:08 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-21 22:38 ` Joel Becker
2009-08-21 22:45 ` Joel Becker
2009-08-22 2:11 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 2:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-24 2:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-22 0:56 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-22 2:06 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-26 6:34 ` Dave Chinner
2009-08-26 15:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-26 18:47 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-27 14:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-21 14:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-21 15:06 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2009-08-21 15:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
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