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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Karel Zak <kzak-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	util-linux-ng-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] util-linux-ng v2.17 (stable)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:17:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1263237448.30988.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100111140255.GA1416-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 15:05 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Fri 2010-01-08 13:43:47, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > On 01/08/2010 01:33 AM, Karel Zak wrote:
> > > 
> > > fdisk:
> > >    - the fdisk command aligns newly created partitions to minimum_io_size
> > >      boundary ("minimum_io_size" is physical sector size or stripe chunk
> > >      size on RAIDs).
> > > 
> > >    - the fdisk command supports disks with alignment_offset now.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think we should align, by default, much more aggressively than that --
> > because frequently we just don't know what the real physical alignment
> > is (think of flash media, which uses large erase blocks underneath.)
> 
> Flash has special mapping layer, and does not care (SD/MMC), or is a
> raw nand and can't be used as block device (smartmedia).

MMC does care, and we measured it, non-4KiB aligned writes were
noticeably slower on real eMMC and some MMC cards. I cannot remember the
numbers, but I vaguely recall something like 11%.

So the first statement is incorrect. It really does matter. E.g., we
observed that FAT FS was slower if the partition did not start from 4KiB
boundary.

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-11 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-08  9:33 [ANNOUNCE] util-linux-ng v2.17 (stable) Karel Zak
2010-01-08 21:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]   ` <4B47A713.9060405-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-08 22:40     ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]       ` <329167C1-CF54-4742-B0B7-AD0B9DEFDEC1-xsfywfwIY+M@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-08 23:33         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-11  6:36         ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]           ` <yq1ocl187ww.fsf-+q57XtR/GgMb6DWv4sQWN6xOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-11  7:27             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-11 14:05     ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-11 16:52       ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]         ` <4B4B5768.2040005-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-11 20:17           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]             ` <20100111201734.GA11674-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-11 23:26               ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                 ` <4B4BB397.5090500-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-12 13:33                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-01-12 13:35                     ` Artem Bityutskiy
     [not found]       ` <20100111140255.GA1416-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-11 19:17         ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2010-01-12  7:19       ` Jörn Engel
     [not found]         ` <20100112071931.GA18822-PCqxUs/MD9bYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-12  8:19           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-12  9:37             ` Jörn Engel
     [not found]               ` <20100112093755.GB18822-PCqxUs/MD9bYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-12 16:20                 ` H. Peter Anvin

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