From: john stultz <johnstul-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Patrick J. LoPresti" <lopresti-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
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Subject: Re: Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:09:39 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1281726579.2810.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin-dksybH0ANypheovXXubwd+SRCpurdVRU7-Z=@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:57 -0700, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM, john stultz <johnstul-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On those TSC broken systems that use the hpet or acpi_pm, a
> > getnstimeofday call can take 0.5-1.3us, so the penalty can be quite
> > severe.
>
> So you are saying my proposal is a bad idea forever? (But then why
> even bother having nanosecond resolution on ext4?)
>
> Or that it is a bad idea for now?
I'm not judging the idea as good/bad, just providing information for
context.
> Or that it needs to be refined? Maybe use hi-res precision on systems
> where it is known to be fast?
>
> > And even with the TSC, expect some performance impact, as
> > reading hardware and doing the multiply is more costly then just
> > fetching a value from memory.
>
> Relative to file system operations? Seriously? What performance hit
> would you expect on real-world applications?
> Something like 0.1% (10 nsec / 10 usec) worst case?
If you can show this does not affect performance in benchmarks, etc, I'm
sure it will be easier to push the patch. As outside of performance, I
don't think there's much of an issue with the change.
So other then "show some numbers", my only thought that might make the
patch more attractive is that rather than a global change, or a static
CONFIG_ option, would it maybe make more sense as a mount option?
thanks
-john
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2010-08-13 18:25 Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps Patrick J. LoPresti
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2010-08-13 18:45 ` john stultz
2010-08-13 18:57 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-13 19:09 ` john stultz [this message]
[not found] ` <1281726579.2810.10.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-13 20:53 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-14 16:45 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-15 1:50 ` Bret Towe
2010-08-17 14:54 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <87aaolwar8.fsf-3rXA9MLqAseW/qJFnhkgxti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 17:41 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20100817174134.GA23176-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 18:29 ` Andi Kleen
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2010-08-17 18:50 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 18:20 ` David Woodhouse
2010-08-18 18:32 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 18:53 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-17 19:04 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20100817190447.GA28049-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:18 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
[not found] ` <AANLkTi=w1UA5ZZDBigpxMiL7A7DnbnQhLkg62JZpC6Ri-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:39 ` Alan Cox
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2010-08-17 19:29 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20100817192937.GD26609-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:52 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-18 5:53 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-18 14:46 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 17:32 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20100818173203.GC32430-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-18 18:15 ` Chuck Lever
[not found] ` <0F91AB9D-0E14-4384-ADD6-0A467C3ABFAC-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-18 23:41 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19 0:52 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19 2:08 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20100819020803.GA30151-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19 2:44 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19 22:46 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 23:47 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-18 17:50 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-18 18:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 19:25 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-18 19:30 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-17 19:34 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-17 19:54 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20100817205441.200ab9a4-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:43 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
[not found] ` <AANLkTi=BB-zVFyCLgC+RWai9FFecaOad=pUC2=XFnY3J-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:45 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 18:12 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-19 1:41 ` john stultz
[not found] ` <AANLkTi=cx31Mgfe7FxJz6LUmTKFR4=9KEBgbFsNLjiSE-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19 2:31 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20100819023106.GB30151-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19 3:17 ` john stultz
2010-08-19 22:53 ` J. Bruce Fields
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