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From: john stultz <johnstul-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Patrick J. LoPresti" <lopresti-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:09:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1281726579.2810.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin-dksybH0ANypheovXXubwd+SRCpurdVRU7-Z=@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 11:57 -0700, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:45 AM, john stultz <johnstul-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On those TSC broken systems that use the hpet or acpi_pm, a
> > getnstimeofday call can take 0.5-1.3us, so the penalty can be quite
> > severe.
> 
> So you are saying my proposal is a bad idea forever?  (But then why
> even bother having nanosecond resolution on ext4?)
> 
> Or that it is a bad idea for now?

I'm not judging the idea as good/bad, just providing information for
context.

> Or that it needs to be refined?  Maybe use hi-res precision on systems
> where it is known to be fast?
> 
> > And even with the TSC, expect some performance impact, as
> > reading hardware and doing the multiply is more costly then just
> > fetching a value from memory.
> 
> Relative to file system operations?  Seriously?  What performance hit
> would you expect on real-world applications?
> Something like 0.1% (10 nsec / 10 usec) worst case?

If you can show this does not affect performance in benchmarks, etc, I'm
sure it will be easier to push the patch. As outside of performance, I
don't think there's much of an issue with the change.

So other then "show some numbers", my only thought that might make the
patch more attractive is that rather than a global change, or a static
CONFIG_ option, would it maybe make more sense as a mount option?

thanks
-john

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-13 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-13 18:25 Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps Patrick J. LoPresti
     [not found] ` <AANLkTimnyXKahtjaFeSsgcq=xMy-pP3na1jidQhZ-dt2-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-13 18:45   ` john stultz
2010-08-13 18:57     ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-13 19:09       ` john stultz [this message]
     [not found]         ` <1281726579.2810.10.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-13 20:53           ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-14 16:45             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-15  1:50             ` Bret Towe
2010-08-17 14:54   ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]     ` <87aaolwar8.fsf-3rXA9MLqAseW/qJFnhkgxti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 17:41       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]         ` <20100817174134.GA23176-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 18:29           ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]             ` <20100817182920.GD18161-u0/ZJuX+froe6aEkudXLsA@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 18:50               ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 18:20               ` David Woodhouse
2010-08-18 18:32                 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 18:53                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-17 19:04             ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]               ` <20100817190447.GA28049-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:18                 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTi=w1UA5ZZDBigpxMiL7A7DnbnQhLkg62JZpC6Ri-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:39                     ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                       ` <20100817203941.729830b7-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:29                         ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                           ` <20100817192937.GD26609-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:52                             ` Alan Cox
2010-08-18  5:53                             ` Neil Brown
2010-08-18 14:46                               ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 17:32                               ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                 ` <20100818173203.GC32430-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-18 18:15                                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                     ` <0F91AB9D-0E14-4384-ADD6-0A467C3ABFAC-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-18 23:41                                       ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19  0:52                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19  2:08                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                             ` <20100819020803.GA30151-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19  2:44                                               ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19 22:46                                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 23:47                                   ` Neil Brown
2010-08-18 17:50                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-18 18:54                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 19:25                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-18 19:30                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-17 19:34                         ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-17 19:54                           ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                             ` <20100817205441.200ab9a4-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:43                               ` Patrick J. LoPresti
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTi=BB-zVFyCLgC+RWai9FFecaOad=pUC2=XFnY3J-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 19:45                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 18:12                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-19  1:41                             ` john stultz
     [not found]                               ` <AANLkTi=cx31Mgfe7FxJz6LUmTKFR4=9KEBgbFsNLjiSE-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19  2:31                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                   ` <20100819023106.GB30151-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19  3:17                                     ` john stultz
2010-08-19 22:53                                       ` J. Bruce Fields

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