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From: Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Wu, Fengguang" <fengguang.wu@intel.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] writeback: Record if the congestion was unnecessary
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:12:10 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1282875130.17594.2.camel@sli10-conroe.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100826203130.GL20944@csn.ul.ie>

On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 04:31 +0800, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:29:04PM +0200, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:14:15PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > If congestion_wait() is called when there is no congestion, the caller
> > > will wait for the full timeout. This can cause unreasonable and
> > > unnecessary stalls. There are a number of potential modifications that
> > > could be made to wake sleepers but this patch measures how serious the
> > > problem is. It keeps count of how many congested BDIs there are. If
> > > congestion_wait() is called with no BDIs congested, the tracepoint will
> > > record that the wait was unnecessary.
> > 
> > I am not convinced that unnecessary is the right word.  On a workload
> > without any IO (i.e. no congestion_wait() necessary, ever), I noticed
> > the VM regressing both in time and in reclaiming the right pages when
> > simply removing congestion_wait() from the direct reclaim paths (the
> > one in __alloc_pages_slowpath and the other one in
> > do_try_to_free_pages).
> > 
> > So just being stupid and waiting for the timeout in direct reclaim
> > while kswapd can make progress seemed to do a better job for that
> > load.
> > 
> > I can not exactly pinpoint the reason for that behaviour, it would be
> > nice if somebody had an idea.
> > 
> 
> There is a possibility that the behaviour in that case was due to flusher
> threads doing the writes rather than direct reclaim queueing pages for IO
> in an inefficient manner. So the stall is stupid but happens to work out
> well because flusher threads get the chance to do work.
If this is the case, we already have queue congested. removing
congestion_wait() might cause regression but either your change or the
congestion_wait_check() should not have the regression, as we do check
if the bdi is congested.

Thanks,
Shaohua

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-27  2:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-26 15:14 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Do not wait the full timeout on congestion_wait when there is no congestion Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 15:14 ` [PATCH 1/3] writeback: Account for time spent congestion_waited Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:23   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 18:10   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-26 15:14 ` [PATCH 2/3] writeback: Record if the congestion was unnecessary Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:35   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:41     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 18:29   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-26 20:31     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  2:12       ` Shaohua Li [this message]
2010-08-27  9:20         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  8:16       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-27  9:24         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-30 13:19           ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-31 15:02             ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02 15:49               ` Johannes Weiner
2010-09-02 18:28                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-29 16:03     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 15:14 ` [PATCH 3/3] writeback: Do not congestion sleep when there are no congested BDIs Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:38   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:42     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 18:17       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-26 20:23         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  1:11           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  9:34             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  1:42         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  9:37           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  5:13   ` Dave Chinner
2010-08-27  9:33     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:20 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Do not wait the full timeout on congestion_wait when there is no congestion Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:31   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:50     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-27  1:21   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  1:41     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-27  1:50       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  2:02         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-27  4:34           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  9:38     ` Mel Gorman

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