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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] timerfd: add TFD_NOTIFY_CLOCK_SET to watch for
 clock changes
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:05:35 +0200
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Cc: Alexander Shishkin <virtuoso@slind.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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To: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
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On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 23:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 23.11.10 19:22, Alexander Shishkin (virtuoso@slind.org) wrote=
:
>=20
> > Certain userspace applications (like "clock" desktop applets or cro=
n or
> > systemd) might want to be notified when some other application chan=
ges
> > the system time. There are several known to me reasons for this:
> >  - avoiding periodic wakeups to poll time changes;
> >  - rearming CLOCK_REALTIME timers when said changes happen;
> >  - changing system timekeeping policy for system-wide time manageme=
nt
> >    programs;
> >  - keeping guest applications/operating systems running in emulator=
s
> >    up to date.
> >=20
> > This is another attempt to approach notifying userspace about syste=
m
> > clock changes. The other one is using an eventfd and a syscall [1].=
 In
> > the course of discussing the necessity of a syscall for this kind o=
f
> > notifications, it was suggested that this functionality can be achi=
eved
> > via timers [2] (and timerfd in particular [3]). This idea got quite
> > some support [4], [5], [6] and some vague criticism [7], so I decid=
ed
> > to try and go a bit further with it.
>=20
> I agree with Kay, this is pretty much exactly what we want for
> systemd. (Assuming that the time jump due to system suspend is
> propagated to userspace like any other time jump with this path).

A "Tested-by: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>" would be
helpful, I think.

> So yeah, I'd be very happy if this could be merged.

Hmm, and question about why exactly the timerfd interface is a bad way
to go was ignored.

--=20
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (=D0=90=D1=80=D1=82=D1=91=D0=BC =D0=91=D0=B8=D1=82=D1=8E=
=D1=86=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9)