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From: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>
To: Arne Jansen <sensille@gmx.net>
Cc: Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	chris.mason@oracle.com, hch@lst.de, ssorce@redhat.com
Subject: Re: What to do about subvolumes?
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:40:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1296441640.6320.3.camel@perseus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CF76BB3.3020705@gmx.net>

On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 10:49 +0100, Arne Jansen wrote:
> Josef Bacik wrote:
> > 
> > 1) Scrap the 256 inode number thing.  Instead we'll just put a flag in the inode
> > to say "Hey, I'm a subvolume" and then we can do all of the appropriate magic
> > that way.  This unfortunately will be an incompatible format change, but the
> > sooner we get this adressed the easier it will be in the long run.  Obviously
> > when I say format change I mean via the incompat bits we have, so old fs's won't
> > be broken and such.
> > 
> > 2) Do something like NFS's referral mounts when we cd into a subvolume.  Now we
> > just do dentry trickery, but that doesn't make the boundary between subvolumes
> > clear, so it will confuse people (and samba) when they walk into a subvolume and
> > all of a sudden the inode numbers are the same as in the directory behind them.
> > With doing the referral mount thing, each subvolume appears to be its own mount
> > and that way things like NFS and samba will work properly.
> > 
> 
> What about the alternative and allocating inode numbers globally? The only
> problem would be with snapshots as they share the inum with the source, but
> one could just remap inode numbers in snapshots by sparing some bits at the
> top of this 64 bit field.
> 
> Having one mount per subvolume/snapshots is the cleaner solution, but
> quickly leads to situations where you have _lots_ of mounts, especially when
> you export them via NFS and mount it somewhere else. I've seen a machine
> which had to handle > 100,000 mounts from a zfs server. This definitely
> brings it's own problems, so I'd love to see a full fs exported as a single
> mount. This will also keep output from tools like iostat (for nfs mounts)
> and df readable.

Having a lot of mounts will be a problem when the mount table is exposed
directly from the kernel, something that must be done, and is being done
in the latest util-linux.

Ian



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-01-31  2:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-01 14:21 What to do about subvolumes? Josef Bacik
2010-12-01 14:50 ` Mike Hommey
2010-12-01 14:51 ` C Anthony Risinger
2010-12-01 16:01   ` Chris Mason
2010-12-01 16:03     ` C Anthony Risinger
2010-12-01 16:13       ` Chris Mason
2010-12-01 16:31     ` Mike Hommey
2010-12-09 19:53       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-12-01 16:00 ` Chris Mason
2010-12-01 16:38 ` Hugo Mills
2010-12-01 16:48   ` Gordan Bobic
2010-12-01 16:52   ` Mike Hommey
2010-12-01 16:52   ` C Anthony Risinger
2010-12-01 17:38   ` Josef Bacik
2010-12-01 19:35     ` Hugo Mills
2010-12-01 20:24       ` Freddie Cash
2010-12-01 21:28         ` Hugo Mills
2010-12-01 23:32           ` Freddie Cash
2010-12-02  4:46             ` Mike Fedyk
2010-12-01 18:33 ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2010-12-01 18:36   ` Josef Bacik
2010-12-01 18:48     ` C Anthony Risinger
2010-12-01 18:52       ` C Anthony Risinger
2010-12-01 19:08         ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2010-12-01 19:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-01 19:54   ` Josef Bacik
2010-12-01 20:00     ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-01 20:09       ` Josef Bacik
2010-12-01 20:16         ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-02  1:52         ` Michael Vrable
2010-12-03 20:53           ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-01 20:03 ` Jeff Layton
2010-12-01 20:46   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2010-12-01 21:06     ` Jeff Layton
2010-12-02  9:26 ` Arne Jansen
2010-12-02  9:49 ` Arne Jansen
2010-12-02 16:11   ` Chris Mason
2010-12-02 17:14     ` David Pottage
2010-12-03 20:56       ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-03  2:43   ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-31  2:40   ` Ian Kent [this message]
2010-12-03  4:25 ` Chris Ball
2010-12-03 14:00   ` Josef Bacik
2010-12-03 21:45 ` Josef Bacik
2010-12-03 22:16   ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-03 22:27   ` Dave Chinner
2010-12-03 22:29     ` Chris Mason
2010-12-03 22:45       ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-03 23:01         ` Andreas Dilger
2010-12-06 16:48           ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-08  6:39             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-12-08 23:07             ` Neil Brown
2010-12-09  4:41               ` Andreas Dilger
2010-12-09 15:19                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-07 16:52         ` hch
2010-12-07 20:45           ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-07 16:51     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-12-07 17:02       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-08 17:16         ` Andreas Dilger
2010-12-08 17:27           ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-12-08 21:18             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-12-04 21:58   ` Mike Fedyk
2010-12-06 14:27     ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-31  2:56       ` Ian Kent
2010-12-07 16:48 ` Christoph Hellwig

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