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From: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, npiggin@kernel.dk,
	shaohua.li@intel.com, sds@tycho.nsa.gov, jmorris@namei.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>
Subject: Re: Make RCU dcache work with CONFIG_SECURITY=y
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:17:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1303507049.2441.3.camel@unknown001a4b0c2895> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=kod0vH3Ybb4Fe=Sa5zvzYSmoj1Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 11:26 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't find good test suites for the security modules, so
> > there wasn't a lot of testing on this unfortunately
> > (the selinux one for LTP doesn't seem to work). Some close
> > review of these changes is needed.
> >
> > On the other hand the VFS changes itself are very straight forward
> > and the 1/1 patch is very straight forward (and a win in itself)
> >
> > The bottom line is with this patchkit a CONFIG_SECURITY=y
> > kernel has as good VFS performance as a kernel with CONFIG_SECURITY
> > disabled.
> 
> Gaah. My immediate reaction to the patch-series was "This is great, I
> was really hoping we could get all those annoying cases sorted out,
> and I'll queue them for the next merge window".
> 
> Having then actually read through the patches a bit more, I then got
> convinced that at least the first patch should probably be applied
> right away and be marked for stable, since it looks pretty damn
> obvious to me, and it might already on its own fix the performance
> regression for some configurations (although realistically I guess few
> enough people really do the "selinux=0" thing, so the big advantage is
> making easier to backport the other patches later if we don't do them
> now).
> 
> And now I'm vacillating about the two later patches too. They look
> fine to me, but I really have _zero_ familiarity with selinux and
> smack internals, so unlike the first patch, I can't go "that looks
> like the obviously right thing, and it clearly catches all the RCU
> cases".
> 
> The "we can't use all the nifty RCU pathwalk in the config that most
> distros ship by default" is clearly a performance regression, and has
> meant that it's not been really showing its real advantages for most
> people. So in that sense, it's a regression fix and thus valid even
> though we're pretty late in the -rc series.
> 
> But at the same time, it's also a bit scary.
> 
> Comments? I'd really like to see/hear feedback like "yeah, this looks
> really obviously safe" vs "yeah, looks good, but I really don't feel
> very comfortable with it" from the security people.

>From an SELinux PoV (And I feel semi confident about SMACK) patch 1/3
can and should go in as soon as you want.  2/3 looked safe on first
glance, but I think I can make it smaller and better.  I'll try to get a
version of 2/3 on list in the next couple of days.  My first thought was
that it should probably go in via my SELinux tree next window......

-Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-04-22 21:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-22  0:23 Make RCU dcache work with CONFIG_SECURITY=y Andi Kleen
2011-04-22  0:23 ` [PATCH 1/3] SECURITY: Move exec_permission RCU checks into security modules Andi Kleen
2011-04-22  0:46   ` Eric Paris
2011-04-22  4:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-22 15:25     ` Andi Kleen
2011-04-22 15:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-22  0:23 ` [PATCH 2/3] SELINUX: Make selinux cache VFS RCU walks safe Andi Kleen
2011-04-22  0:45   ` Eric Paris
2011-04-22 15:16     ` Andi Kleen
2011-04-22  0:23 ` [PATCH 3/3] SMACK: Make smack directory access check RCU safe Andi Kleen
2011-04-22  1:40 ` Make RCU dcache work with CONFIG_SECURITY=y Shaohua Li
2011-04-22 18:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-04-22 21:16   ` Andi Kleen
2011-04-22 21:32     ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-22 21:17   ` Eric Paris [this message]
2011-04-22 23:29     ` Linus Torvalds

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