From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:38:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1314027488.24275.74.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110812142020.GB17781@localhost>
On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 22:20 +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 09:04:19PM +0800, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 19:20 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
> To start with,
>
> write_bw
> ref_bw = task_ratelimit_in_past_200ms * --------
> dirty_bw
>
> where
> task_ratelimit_in_past_200ms ~= dirty_ratelimit * pos_ratio
>
> > > Now all of the above would seem to suggest:
> > >
> > > dirty_ratelimit := ref_bw
>
> Right, ideally ref_bw is the balanced dirty ratelimit. I actually
> started with exactly the above equation when I got choked by pure
> pos_bw based feedback control (as mentioned in the reply to Jan's
> email) and introduced the ref_bw estimation as the way out.
>
> But there are some imperfections in ref_bw, too. Which makes it not
> suitable for direct use:
>
> 1) large fluctuations
OK, understood.
> 2) due to truncates and fs redirties, the (write_bw <=> dirty_bw)
> becomes unbalanced match, which leads to large systematical errors
> in ref_bw. The truncates, due to its possibly bumpy nature, can hardly
> be compensated smoothly.
OK.
> 3) since we ultimately want to
>
> - keep the dirty pages around the setpoint as long time as possible
> - keep the fluctuations of task ratelimit as small as possible
Fair enough ;-)
> the update policy used for (2) also serves the above goals nicely:
> if for some reason the dirty pages are high (pos_bw < dirty_ratelimit),
> and dirty_ratelimit is low (dirty_ratelimit < ref_bw), there is no
> point to bring up dirty_ratelimit in a hurry and to hurt both the
> above two goals.
Right, so still I feel somewhat befuddled, so we have:
dirty_ratelimit - rate at which we throttle dirtiers as
estimated upto 200ms ago.
pos_ratio - ratio adjusting the dirty_ratelimit
for variance in dirty pages around its target
bw_ratio - ratio adjusting the dirty_ratelimit
for variance in input/output bandwidth
and we need to basically do:
dirty_ratelimit *= pos_ratio * bw_ratio
to update the dirty_ratelimit to reflect the current state. However per
1) and 2) bw_ratio is crappy and hard to fix.
So you propose to update dirty_ratelimit only if both pos_ratio and
bw_ratio point in the same direction, however that would result in:
if (pos_ratio < UNIT && bw_ratio < UNIT ||
pos_ratio > UNIT && bw_ratio > UNIT) {
dirty_ratelimit = (dirty_ratelimit * pos_ratio) / UNIT;
dirty_ratelimit = (dirty_ratelimit * bw_ratio) / UNIT;
}
> > > However for that you use:
> > >
> > > if (pos_bw < dirty_ratelimit && ref_bw < dirty_ratelimit)
> > > dirty_ratelimit = max(ref_bw, pos_bw);
> > >
> > > if (pos_bw > dirty_ratelimit && ref_bw > dirty_ratelimit)
> > > dirty_ratelimit = min(ref_bw, pos_bw);
>
> The above are merely constraints to the dirty_ratelimit update.
> It serves to
>
> 1) stop adjusting the rate when it's against the position control
> target (the adjusted rate will slow down the progress of dirty
> pages going back to setpoint).
Not strictly speaking, suppose pos_ratio = 0.5 and bw_ratio = 1.1, then
they point in different directions however:
0.5 < 1 && 0.5 * 1.1 < 1
so your code will in fact update the dirty_ratelimit, even though the
two factors point in opposite directions.
> 2) limit the step size. pos_bw is changing values step by step,
> leaving a consistent trace comparing to the randomly jumping
> ref_bw. pos_bw also has smaller errors in stable state and normally
> have larger errors when there are big errors in rate. So it's a
> pretty good limiting factor for the step size of dirty_ratelimit.
OK, so that's the min/max stuff, however it only works because you use
pos_bw and ref_bw instead of the fully separated factors.
> Hope the above elaboration helps :)
A little..
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-22 15:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-06 8:44 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 1/5] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated dirtied pages Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:47 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 9:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 12:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 23:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 10:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 22:34 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-11 2:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 11:14 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-16 8:35 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 21:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16 8:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 22:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 2:43 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 3:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 5:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 9:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 14:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-22 15:38 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2011-08-23 3:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 14:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 17:47 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-24 0:12 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 16:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 0:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 9:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:04 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 10:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 11:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 12:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 12:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 13:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 18:00 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-25 3:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25 22:20 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-26 1:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 8:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 9:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-29 13:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-29 13:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-02 12:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-25 5:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 14:36 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 2:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16 8:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 3/5] writeback: dirty rate control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:54 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 3:42 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 15:50 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 16:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 4/5] writeback: per task dirty rate limit Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:35 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 6:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 23:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:23 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:38 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-13 16:28 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-15 14:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:26 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 17:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 3:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 18:18 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 0:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 18:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 3:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 5/5] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:48 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 6:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 16:46 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 7:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07 9:50 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 18:15 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 18:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 3:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 3:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 19:16 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 4:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 2:01 ` [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 5:55 ` Dave Chinner
2011-08-09 14:04 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 7:41 ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10 18:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 3:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 20:42 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 21:00 ` Vivek Goyal
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-16 2:20 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v9 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 2:20 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 19:41 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-17 13:23 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 13:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 20:24 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-18 4:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 4:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 19:16 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-24 3:16 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-19 2:53 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-19 3:25 ` Wu Fengguang
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