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From: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, drepper@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] nextfd(2)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:10:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1333559412.10230.67.camel@lenny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F7C777E.10608@gmail.com>

On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 09:31 -0700, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:

> Ideally possible. but practically impossible. 2) people don't use a their
> own malloc. they only uses open sources alternative malloc. And, I think
> you have too narrowing concern. Even though malloc people adds a workaround,
> the standard inhibit to use it

What do you mean?  If as hpa says, the maintainer of e.g. google
tcmalloc added a call to pthread_atfork(), then code which uses
opendir() would start working.

>  and people may continue to use more dangerous
> RLIM_NOFILE loop. 1) I haven't seen _practical_ userland software uses such
> linux internal hacking. Almost all major software can run on multiple OSs.

Except that if you're using /proc/self/fd, you're already relying on
Linux-specific functionality.  So it's not burdensome to use "struct
linux_dirent" and O_DIRECTORY either.

In GLib we're presently doing the regular /proc+opendir() under
#ifdef __linux__:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/glib/gspawn.c#n932

Now I'd happily switch to hpa's fdwalk() implementation if I was aware
of someone using glib in combination with an alternative malloc hitting
this problem.

Basically I think hpa is right here, and it's not really worth adding
a new system call.

The thing is, even if it were added today, since we need to run on old
kernels, we'd have to carry the code to use the /proc trick
approximately forever.  And in the end all nextfd() would accomplish
would be a *third* case in the already messy ifdefs/fallbacks
in the various implementations of process spawning.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-04 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-01 12:57 [PATCH] nextfd(2) Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-01 13:58 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-01 21:30   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-02  0:09   ` Alan Cox
2012-04-02  8:38     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-04-02  9:26       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-04-01 15:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-01 21:31   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-01 21:36   ` Alan Cox
2012-04-01 17:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-01 18:28 ` Valentin Nechayev
2012-04-01 21:33   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-01 19:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-04-01 21:35   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-01 22:05   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-04 12:13     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-04-01 22:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-01 22:13   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-02  0:08   ` Alan Cox
2012-04-30  9:58     ` Valentin Nechayev
2012-04-02  1:19   ` Kyle Moffett
2012-04-02  1:37     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-02 11:37     ` Ulrich Drepper
2012-04-06  9:54   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-06 15:27     ` Colin Walters
2012-04-06 16:14     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-06 20:16       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-06 20:33         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-06 21:02         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-12 10:54           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-12 11:11             ` Alan Cox
2012-04-12 13:35               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-12 13:51                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-12 19:21                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2012-04-12 14:09               ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-06 16:23     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-07 21:21       ` Ben Pfaff
2012-04-11  0:12         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-11  0:09       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-11 17:58         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-11 18:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-04-11 18:11             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-11 19:46               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-11 19:49                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-11 20:23                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-11 20:32                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-17 18:12                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-11 18:00         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-11 19:20           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-11 19:22             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-11 19:26               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-11 19:28                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-11 19:31                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-11 19:32                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-02 23:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-02 23:56   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-04 11:51     ` Ulrich Drepper
2012-04-04 16:38       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-04 16:43         ` Ulrich Drepper
2012-04-04 17:07           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-04 17:49             ` Ulrich Drepper
2012-04-04 18:08               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-04 16:31     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-04 17:10       ` Colin Walters [this message]
2012-04-04 17:25         ` Colin Walters
2012-04-04 23:35         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-04-04 18:44       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-04-03 19:21   ` Colin Walters
2012-04-04  3:01 ` Al Viro
2012-04-04 17:10   ` KOSAKI Motohiro

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