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From: Rob Landley <rob-VoJi6FS/r0vR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos-sUDqSbJrdHQHWmgEVkV9KA@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 03:42:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1381048955.1974.171@driftwood> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegsUchb0eX+Hi3rN5Ypje3Y-dgo=pxgM1Y3BQbHVp=1hSw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (from miklos-sUDqSbJrdHQHWmgEVkV9KA@public.gmane.org on Thu Sep 26 13:06:41 2013)

On 09/26/2013 01:06:41 PM, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:34 PM, J. Bruce Fields  
> <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:58:05AM +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> >> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Zach Brown <zab-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>  
> wrote:
> >> >> A client-side copy will be slower, but I guess it does have the
> >> >> advantage that the application can track progress to some  
> degree, and
> >> >> abort it fairly quickly without leaving the file in a totally  
> undefined
> >> >> state--and both might be useful if the copy's not a simple  
> constant-time
> >> >> operation.
> >> >
> >> > I suppose, but can't the app achieve a nice middle ground by  
> copying the
> >> > file in smaller syscalls?  Avoid bulk data motion back to the  
> client,
> >> > but still get notification every, I dunno, few hundred meg?
> >>
> >> Yes.  And if "cp"  could just be switched from a read+write syscall
> >> pair to a single splice syscall using the same buffer size.
> >
> > Will the various magic fs-specific copy operations become  
> inefficient
> > when the range copied is too small?
> 
> We could treat spice-copy operations just like write operations (can
> be buffered, coalesced, synced).
> 
> But I'm not sure it's worth the effort; 99% of the use of this
> interface will be copying whole files.

My "patch" implementation (in busybox and toybox) hits a point where it  
wants to copy the rest of the file, once there are no more hunks to  
apply. This is not copying a whole file. A similar thing happens with  
tail when you use the +N syntax to skip start instead of end lines. I  
can see sed doing a similar thing when told to operate on line ranges...

Note sure your 99% holds up here.

Rob--
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-06  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-11 17:06 [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading Zach Brown
     [not found] ` <1378919210-10372-1-git-send-email-zab-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-11 17:06   ` [PATCH 1/3] splice: add DIRECT flag for splicing between files Zach Brown
2013-09-11 17:06   ` [PATCH 2/3] splice: add f_op->splice_direct Zach Brown
2013-09-11 17:06   ` [PATCH 3/3] btrfs: implement .splice_direct extent copying Zach Brown
2013-09-20  9:49   ` [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading Szeredi Miklos
     [not found]     ` <CAELBmZBGD4rph=gjLCPKCdEj+nzEQ-F=DExoL+h3vRm7qF7dCQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 18:38       ` Zach Brown
2013-09-25 19:02         ` Anna Schumaker
     [not found]           ` <CAFX2JfnyF8kyMYzCdqdr2JkoyQCom1bFLpFj89wODjoju54-Ow-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 19:06             ` Zach Brown
     [not found]               ` <20130925190620.GB30372-fypN+1c5dIyjpB87vu3CluTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 19:55                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-25 21:07                   ` Zach Brown
2013-09-26  8:58                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-26 15:34                       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                         ` <20130926153359.GE704-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26 16:46                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-26 18:06                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-26 19:06                           ` Zach Brown
2013-09-26 19:53                             ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                               ` <CAJfpegvvWhs+jv2J9kOQrB31PEO3kyn_sLm_e2w9YKp=y6EDhA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26 21:23                                 ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                                   ` <5244A5E7.90808-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-27  4:47                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-27 14:00                                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-27 14:39                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                           ` <CAJfpegsUchb0eX+Hi3rN5Ypje3Y-dgo=pxgM1Y3BQbHVp=1hSw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-06  8:42                             ` Rob Landley [this message]
2013-09-26 18:55                       ` Zach Brown
     [not found]                         ` <20130926185508.GO30372-fypN+1c5dIyjpB87vu3CluTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26 21:26                           ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                             ` <5244A68F.906-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-27 20:05                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-27 20:50                                 ` Zach Brown
2013-09-28  5:49                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-28 15:20                                     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-28 21:20                                       ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                                         ` <52474839.2080201-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 12:20                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:34                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-30 14:48                                               ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 14:51                                               ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                                                 ` <CAJfpeguMCzv-UhrXrG7e9Q7F_0aEe3_ZMumFwLu3hxcewA_7gA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 14:52                                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:24                                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:28                                                       ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                                                         ` <CAJfpegv_C6cLOuA-mNtgtf2QbmmmcHwjQVo8mA nhf_wbJ8iRhg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                           ` <CAJfpegv_C6cLOuA-mNtgtf2QbmmmcHwjQVo8mAnhf_wbJ8iRhg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 14:41                                                             ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                                                               ` <52498DB6.7060901-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 15:46                                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:49                                                                   ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                                                                     ` <52498F68.8050200-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 15:57                                                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                                                                         ` <CAJfpegvvN_5c5oMv8UoODXQHc-DQnijhOtPDXmNamVpQLDoWMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 16:31                                                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 17:17                                                                             ` Bernd Schubert
     [not found]                                                                               ` <5249B21E.70603-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 17:44                                                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <1380563050.6501.15.camel-5lNtUQgoD8Pfa3cDbr2K10B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 17:48                                                                                     ` Bernd Schubert
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <5249B987.8020807-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 18:02                                                                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 18:49                                                                                           ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 19:34                                                                                             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 20:00                                                                                               ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 20:08                                                                                                 ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found]                                                                                                   ` <5249DA50.5060105-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 20:27                                                                                                     ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <5249D86A.7080603-mPn0NPGs4xGatNDF+KUbs4QuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 20:10                                                                                                   ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                                                                   ` <CAJfpegsvrr7x3MbdpvxUmzq0ZfDHfZkzAar6Od2G7wg8DgPLYQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-01 18:42                                                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-30 15:33                                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                                                         ` <52498AA8.2090204-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 15:38                                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                                                       ` <CAJfpegtpXuh9070ALGy16Y8kdgioBqSf4JQqBBCF4FHvFJWAWQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-01 19:58                                                         ` Zach Brown
     [not found]                                                           ` <20131001195817.GE10831-fypN+1c5dIyjpB87vu3CluTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-02 12:58                                                             ` Jan Kara
2013-10-02 13:31                                                               ` David Lang
2013-12-18 12:41   ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-12-18 17:10     ` Zach Brown
2013-12-18 17:26       ` Anna Schumaker
2013-09-11 21:17 ` Eric Wong
     [not found]   ` <20130911211722.GA9725-yBiyF41qdooeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-16 19:44     ` Rob Landley
2013-09-19 12:59   ` Jeff Layton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-09-26 17:22 Steve French
     [not found] ` <CAH2r5muBuTK7ZZ+aKGC4q35gqaSWF4o07eoHypLKiNn5Y83RbQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26 19:34   ` David Disseldorp
2013-10-10  2:18     ` Steve French
2013-10-01 21:05   ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]     ` <20131001210531.GA7093-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-02  1:19       ` Steve French

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