From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from hope.aquinas.su (hope.aquinas.su [82.148.24.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A66C1A9FAA; Mon, 11 Aug 2025 16:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=82.148.24.172 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754930732; cv=none; b=UX93CMlYqO3vNIFYf+hTu0MyjvzWPY0k+D46Ujl5m+/xwbA1xWqjHo2t71RMDFKc16C/oM56b6hctaHFS0AwyQW0qYqafKQ4+Ijk1z7ZYWPKI1XP8XNPvWECxLbiRbTdsTPKua6BvU3/1s2Y1EkXqXUpWxppVdU99lFTw7jTrqY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1754930732; c=relaxed/simple; bh=PXdYOYgd73FHHDvRPv4cGkZgpCXyLJxu+pvZwjd0ZFw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fbkJiCK88Gb/1GMUkvgl88u0+iEbCALg5K3hpY/xnNAFI6w3kl3b/lpDiWlLpUKxhcE6TtUVS5N9tLgvlfO1NocexNMYIZE+CazDe8H8nMgWgHgDFbUAg3TNBs7OtCUsffFGW7Izd9r0ZY2X5bnfVC7pF8TaA9CECv2ll7FTdnU= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=aquinas.su; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=aquinas.su; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=aquinas.su header.i=@aquinas.su header.b=mJiQGzai; arc=none smtp.client-ip=82.148.24.172 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=aquinas.su Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=aquinas.su Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=aquinas.su header.i=@aquinas.su header.b="mJiQGzai" Received: from woolf.localnet (host-46-241-65-133.bbcustomer.zsttk.net [46.241.65.133]) (Authenticated sender: admin@aquinas.su) by hope.aquinas.su (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1FCEE6EBAE; Mon, 11 Aug 2025 19:45:10 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aquinas.su; s=default; t=1754930726; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=PXdYOYgd73FHHDvRPv4cGkZgpCXyLJxu+pvZwjd0ZFw=; b=mJiQGzaiph1tsFTO0lf6I8X4THO6ySWTWd5toIS+346D3dT4TNzdpLAnihg+YcQg5/uUzy FEJdb6wPrPN+gufrVW28vgMj4prW2+oSbXQ0XYXoIb05xqvQljauqaBRNISC5UD3sAFUak hCh/WM4T2mtI9ru9O9abY/uMCwYlK8BbVR5u8A0DaafGTzzKsq5UwCgyj6PdRq98Op30SL jpQ3NaQPj7c4VOiQE9D+KbeYKVZU0YKrLQgWMF+TRjbRqqltmyOFxj0nx9U0ZtOy35Kt7m JxGUNhNs3x+uLamgMpCrTDzqx35t3BIjbseTv6DBZf4ve2O51vAAaslAWtNYLQ== Authentication-Results: hope.aquinas.su; auth=pass smtp.auth=admin@aquinas.su smtp.mailfrom=admin@aquinas.su From: Aquinas Admin To: kent.overstreet@linux.dev, Konstantin Shelekhin Cc: linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, list-bcachefs@carlthompson.net, malte.schroeder@tnxip.de, torvalds@linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2025 23:45:09 +0700 Message-ID: <13820530.uLZWGnKmhe@woolf> In-Reply-To: <55e623db-ff03-4d33-98d1-1042106e83c6@ftml.net> References: <3ik3h6hfm4v2y3rtpjshk5y4wlm5n366overw2lp72qk5izizw@k6vxp22uwnwa> <55e623db-ff03-4d33-98d1-1042106e83c6@ftml.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" =D0=92 =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=8C=D0=BC=D0=B5 =D0=BE=D1=82 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BD= =D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=BA, 11 =D0=B0=D0=B2=D0=B3=D1= =83=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B0 2025=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. 16:51:11 =D0=9A=D1=80=D0=B0=D1= =81=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=8F=D1=80=D1=81=D0=BA, =D1=81=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B4=D0= =B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B5=20 =D0=B2=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=BC=D1=8F =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2= =D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Konstantin Shelekhin =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0= =B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: > > Yes, this is accurate. I've been getting entirely too many emails from > >Linus about> > > how pissed off everyone is, completely absent of details - or anything > > engineering related, for that matter. >=20 > That's because this is not an engineering problem, it's a communication > problem. You just piss people off for no good reason. Then people get tir= ed > of dealing with you and now we're here, with Linus thinking about `git rm > -rf fs/bcachesfs`. Will your users be happy? Probably not. Will your > sponsors be happy? Probably not either. Then why are you keep doing this? >=20 > If you really want to change the way things work go see a therapist. A > competent enough doctor probably can fix all that in a couple of months. Come on? It's been around for 30 years because it's financially beneficial = for=20 some players. Should we forget about the letters and insults that flew arou= nd=20 before 2018? The Code of Conduct wasn't introduced just like that. Well,=20 that's just a small remark, in general. The fact is, there are no objection= s=20 to the technical quality of Bcachefs. The objections are exclusively about= =20 Kent's personality and how he conducts his affairs. Maybe someone experienc= ed=20 in resolving such issues and handling personnel conflicts could suggest a=20 solution? Analyze the situation and offer methods for resolution? Especiall= y=20 since the problem is far from being solely about Kent. I suggest that inste= ad=20 of threats, hasty conclusions, and quick decisions, we turn to professional= s=20 with the right expertise, who are surely present in the Linux Foundation. I= t=20 will take time, but it will help everyone become better. I hope everyone=20 understands that the right solution shouldn't be dictated by someone's=20 feelings or grudges=E2=80=94regardless of who's involved.