From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: devzero@web.de Subject: Re: ShaolinMicro CogoFS Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:20:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1427811980@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Return-path: Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]:12941 "EHLO fmmailgate04.web.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933295AbWKNJUh convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:20:37 -0500 To: Arjan van de Ven Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org > would you really want to trust your data to a filesystem that is clos= ed? > To a filesystem that isn't easily supported by newer kernels (or even > kernels with hot security fixes)? I at least won't. it depends. millions of people also trust their data to ntfs, and that = is closed source, too. i also need to run microsoft servers - sure - i`d be happy if i could r= eplace them with linux..... with the kernel-updates you are right: i don`t want to be dependend of = a vendor - if i update my kernel and cogofs breaks because of this, i d= on`t want to wait for the vendor to fix this. it maybe not easy to develop a filesystem, but if i look at the cogofs = homepage, the official version is still for kernel 2.4 and a version fo= r 2.6 is just ahead after 2.6 being in business for quite some time....= =2E > > the vendor is developing quite nice stuff for linux, but it`s under= standable that he needs to live from that - so no open source. >=20 > There's enough people who make money on open source.... that's not an > argument.=20 i cannot tell for myself how hard it is to make your daily bread and bu= tter from opensource, i`m no programmer and never worked self employed. > > is there any good collection of arguments to make a vendor re-think= his strategy and open up the source of their application? >=20 > One is to suggest him to talk to a good lawyer... often people who do > binary modules come back from that white in the face and change thing= s > quickly ;) Another one is just refusing to buy from him until it's op= en. > If everyone does that.... he'll get the message. sounds a little bit evangelistic, doesn`t it ? yes there is an open-source world, but there is a closed source world, = too.=20 i wished everything was open source, but unfortunately that isn`t how t= his world works.... i don`t want to restart that "binary is all evil"-thread again, all i w= ant is linux having a production ready filesystem with transparent comp= ression. came across a real interesting thread at:=20 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=3Dlinux-kernel&m=3D113934168811645&w=3D= 2 please mind the TLD of the author`s email adress roland > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Arjan van de Ven > Gesendet: 14.11.06 09:09:04 > An: devzero@web.de > CC: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org > Betreff: Re: ShaolinMicro CogoFS > On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 23:20 +0100, devzero@web.de wrote: > > Unfortunately it`s closed source -=20 >=20 > would you really want to trust your data to a filesystem that is clos= ed? > To a filesystem that isn't easily supported by newer kernels (or even > kernels with hot security fixes)? I at least won't. >=20 > > the vendor is developing quite nice stuff for linux, but it`s under= standable that he needs to live from that - so no open source. >=20 > There's enough people who make money on open source.... that's not an > argument.=20 >=20 > > is there any good collection of arguments to make a vendor re-think= his strategy and open up the source of their application? >=20 > One is to suggest him to talk to a good lawyer... often people who do > binary modules come back from that white in the face and change thing= s > quickly ;) Another one is just refusing to buy from him until it's op= en. > If everyone does that.... he'll get the message. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > if you want to mail me at work (you don't), use arjan (at) linux.inte= l.com > Test the interaction between Linux and your BIOS via http://www.linux= firmwarekit.org >=20 _______________________________________________________________________= _______ "Ein Herz f=FCr Kinder" - Ihre Spende hilft! Aktion: www.deutschlandseg= elt.de Unser Dankesch=F6n: Ihr Name auf dem Segel der 1. deutschen America's C= up-Yacht! - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel= " in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html