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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu, Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Dongsu Park <dongsu@endocode.com>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@googlemail.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	Alban Crequy <alban.crequy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 0/8] VFS:userns: support portable root filesystems
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 17:06:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1462395979.14310.133.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1462372014-3786-1-git-send-email-tixxdz@gmail.com>

On Wed, 2016-05-04 at 16:26 +0200, Djalal Harouni wrote:
> This is version 2 of the VFS:userns support portable root filesystems
> RFC. Changes since version 1:
> 
> * Update documentation and remove some ambiguity about the feature.
>   Based on Josh Triplett comments.
> * Use a new email address to send the RFC :-)
> 
> 
> This RFC tries to explore how to support filesystem operations inside
> user namespace using only VFS and a per mount namespace solution.
> This
> allows to take advantage of user namespace separations without
> introducing any change at the filesystems level. All this is handled
> with the virtual view of mount namespaces.
> 
> 
> 1) Presentation:
> ================
> 
> The main aim is to support portable root filesystems and allow 
> containers, virtual machines and other cases to use the same root 
> filesystem. Due to security reasons, filesystems can't be mounted 
> inside user namespaces, and mounting them outside will not solve the 
> problem since they will show up with the wrong UIDs/GIDs. Read and 
> write operations will also fail and so on.
> 
> The current userspace solution is to automatically chown the whole 
> root filesystem before starting a container, example:
> (host) init_user_ns  1000000:1065536  => (container) user_ns_X1
> 0:65535
> (host) init_user_ns  2000000:2065536  => (container) user_ns_Y1
> 0:65535
> (host) init_user_ns  3000000:3065536  => (container) user_ns_Z1
> 0:65535
> ...
> 
> Every time a chown is called, files are changed and so on... This
> prevents to have portable filesystems where you can throw anywhere
> and boot. Having an extra step to adapt the filesystem to the current
> mapping and persist it will not allow to verify its integrity, it 
> makes snapshots and migration a bit harder, and probably other
> limitations...
> 
> It seems that there are multiple ways to allow user namespaces 
> combine nicely with filesystems, but none of them is that easy. The 
> bind mount and pin the user namespace during mount time will not 
> work, bind mounts share the same super block, hence you may endup 
> working on the wrong vfsmount context and there is no easy way to get
> out of that...

So this option was discussed at the recent LSF/MM summit.  The most
supported suggestion was that you'd use a new internal fs type that had
a struct mount with a new superblock and would copy the underlying
inodes but substitute it's own with modified ->getatrr/->setattr calls
that did the uid shift.  In many ways it would be a remapping bind
which would look similar to overlayfs but be a lot simpler.

> Using the user namespace in the super block seems the way to go, and
> there is the "Support fuse mounts in user namespaces" [1] patches 
> which seem nice but perhaps too complex!?

So I don't think that does what you want.  The fuse project I've used
before to do uid/gid shifts for build containers is bindfs

https://github.com/mpartel/bindfs/

It allows a --map argument where you specify pairs of uids/gids to map
(tedious for large ranges, but the map can be fixed to use uid:range
instead of individual).

>  there is also the overlayfs solution, and finaly the VFS layer 
> solution.
> 
> We present here a simple VFS solution, everything is packed inside 
> VFS, filesystems don't need to know anything (except probably XFS, 
> and special operations inside union filesystems). Currently it 
> supports ext4, btrfs and overlayfs. Changes into filesystems are 
> small, just parse the vfs_shift_uids and vfs_shift_gids options 
> during mount and set the appropriate flags into the super_block
> structure.

So this looks a little daunting.  It sprays the VFS with knowledge
about the shifts and requires support from every underlying filesystem.
 A simple remapping bind filesystem would be a lot simpler and require
no underlying filesystem support.

James

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-04 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-04 14:26 [RFC v2 PATCH 0/8] VFS:userns: support portable root filesystems Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 14:26 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 1/8] VFS: add CLONE_MNTNS_SHIFT_UIDGID flag to allow mounts to shift their UIDs/GIDs Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 14:26 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 2/8] VFS:uidshift: add flags and helpers to shift UIDs and GIDs to virtual view Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 14:26 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 3/8] fs: Treat foreign mounts as nosuid Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 23:19   ` Serge Hallyn
2016-05-05 13:05     ` Seth Forshee
2016-05-05 22:40       ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 14:26 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 4/8] VFS:userns: shift UID/GID to virtual view during permission access Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 14:26 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 5/8] VFS:userns: add helpers to shift UIDs and GIDs into on-disk view Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 14:26 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 6/8] VFS:userns: shift UID/GID to on-disk view before any write to disk Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 14:26 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 7/8] ext4: add support for vfs_shift_uids and vfs_shift_gids mount options Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 14:26 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 8/8] btrfs: " Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 16:34 ` [RFC v2 PATCH 0/8] VFS:userns: support portable root filesystems Josh Triplett
2016-05-04 21:06 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2016-05-05  7:36   ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-05 11:56     ` James Bottomley
2016-05-05 21:49       ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-05 22:08         ` James Bottomley
2016-05-10 23:36           ` James Bottomley
2016-05-11  0:38             ` Al Viro
2016-05-11  0:53             ` Al Viro
2016-05-11  3:47               ` James Bottomley
2016-05-11 16:42             ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-11 18:33               ` James Bottomley
2016-05-12 19:55                 ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-12 22:24                   ` James Bottomley
2016-05-14  9:53                     ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-14 13:46                       ` James Bottomley
2016-05-15  2:21                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-05-15 15:04                           ` James Bottomley
2016-05-16 14:12                           ` Seth Forshee
2016-05-16 16:42                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-05-16 18:25                               ` Seth Forshee
2016-05-16 19:13                           ` James Bottomley
2016-05-17 22:40                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-05-17 11:42                           ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-17 15:42                         ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-04 23:30 ` Serge Hallyn
2016-05-06 14:38   ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-09 16:26     ` Serge Hallyn
2016-05-10 10:33       ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-05  0:23 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-05  1:44   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-05  2:25     ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-05  3:29       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-05 22:34     ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-05 22:24   ` Djalal Harouni
2016-05-06  2:50     ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-12 19:47       ` Djalal Harouni

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