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From: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, trondmy@primarydata.com
Cc: mszeredi@redhat.com, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	jlayton@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, ebiederm@xmission.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 18:09:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1495534193.2564.3.camel@themaw.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <149547014649.10599.12025037906646164347.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On Mon, 2017-05-22 at 17:22 +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Here are a set of patches to define a container object for the kernel and
> to provide some methods to create and manipulate them.
> 
> The reason I think this is necessary is that the kernel has no idea how to
> direct upcalls to what userspace considers to be a container - current
> Linux practice appears to make a "container" just an arbitrarily chosen
> junction of namespaces, control groups and files, which may be changed
> individually within the "container".
> 
> The kernel upcall mechanism then needs to decide which set of namespaces,
> etc., it must exec the appropriate upcall program.  Examples of this
> include:
> 
>  (1) The DNS resolver.  The DNS cache in the kernel should probably be
>      per-network namespace, but in userspace the program, its libraries and
>      its config data are associated with a mount tree and a user namespace
>      and it gets run in a particular pid namespace.
> 
>  (2) NFS ID mapper.  The NFS ID mapping cache should also probably be
>      per-network namespace.
> 
>  (3) nfsdcltrack.  A way for NFSD to access stable storage for tracking
>      of persistent state.  Again, network-namespace dependent, but also
>      perhaps mount-namespace dependent.
> 
>  (4) General request-key upcalls.  Not particularly namespace dependent,
>      apart from keyrings being somewhat governed by the user namespace and
>      the upcall being configured by the mount namespace.
> 
> These patches are built on top of the mount context patchset so that
> namespaces can be properly propagated over submounts/automounts.
> 
> These patches implement a container object that holds the following things:
> 
>  (1) Namespaces.
> 
>  (2) A root directory.
> 
>  (3) A set of processes, including a designated 'init' process.
> 
>  (4) The creator's credentials, including ownership.
> 
>  (5) A place to hang security for the container, allowing policies to be
>      set per-container.
> 
> I also want to add:
> 
>  (6) Control groups.
> 
>  (7) A per-container keyring that can be added to from outside of the
>      container, even once the container is live, for the provision of
>      filesystem authentication/encryption keys in advance of the container
>      being started.

It's hard to decide which of these has higher priority, I think both essential
to a container implementation.

Ian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-23 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-22 16:22 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/9] containers: Rename linux/container.h to linux/container_dev.h David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/9] Implement containers as kernel objects David Howells
2017-08-14  5:47   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-08-16 22:21     ` Paul Moore
2017-08-18  8:03       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-06 14:03         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-09-14  5:47           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-08 20:02         ` Paul Moore
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/9] Provide /proc/containers David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/9] Allow processes to be forked and upcalled into a container David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 5/9] Open a socket inside " David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 6/9] Allow fs syscall dfd arguments to take a container fd David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 7/9] Make fsopen() able to initiate mounting into a container David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 8/9] Honour CONTAINER_NEW_EMPTY_FS_NS David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 9/9] Sample program for driving container objects David Howells
2017-05-22 16:53 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley
2017-05-22 17:14   ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-05-22 17:27   ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 18:34   ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-22 19:21     ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 22:14       ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 10:35       ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23  9:38   ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 14:53   ` David Howells
2017-05-23 14:56     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:14     ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:17       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:44         ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 16:36         ` David Howells
2017-05-24  8:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-24  9:16             ` Ian Kent
2017-05-22 17:11 ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 19:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-22 22:22   ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 12:54     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 14:27       ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 14:30       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-23 14:54         ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:31           ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 15:35             ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:30         ` David Howells
2017-05-23 14:23     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-27 17:45   ` Trond Myklebust
2017-05-27 19:10     ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 10:09 ` Ian Kent [this message]
2017-05-23 13:52 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:02   ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:23   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:12 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 16:13 ` David Howells

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