From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>,
"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>,
20180410184356.GD3563@thunk.org,
Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Subject: Re: fsync() errors is unsafe and risks data loss
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 08:56:38 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1523624198.4847.3.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180412213110.GF18364@bombadil.infradead.org>
On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 14:31 -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 05:14:54PM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-04-12 at 13:28 -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 01:13:22PM -0700, Andres Freund wrote:
> > > > I think a per-file or even per-blockdev/fs error state that'd be
> > > > returned by fsync() would be more than sufficient.
> > >
> > > Ah; this was my suggestion to Jeff on IRC. That we add a per-
> > > superblock
> > > wb_err and then allow syncfs() to return it. So you'd open an fd on
> > > a directory (for example), and call syncfs() which would return -EIO
> > > or -ENOSPC if either of those conditions had occurred since you
> > > opened
> > > the fd.
> >
> > Not a bad idea and shouldn't be too costly. mapping_set_error could
> > flag the superblock one before or after the one in the mapping.
> >
> > We'd need to define what happens if you interleave fsync and syncfs
> > calls on the same inode though. How do we handle file->f_wb_err in that
> > case? Would we need a second field in struct file to act as the per-sb
> > error cursor?
>
> Ooh. I hadn't thought that through. Bleh. I don't want to add a field
> to struct file for this uncommon case.
>
> Maybe O_PATH could be used for this? It gets you a file descriptor on
> a particular filesystem, so syncfs() is defined, but it can't report
> a writeback error. So if you open something O_PATH, you can use the
> file's f_wb_err for the mapping's error cursor.
>
That might work.
It'd be a syscall behavioral change so we'd need to document that well.
It's probably innocuous though -- I doubt we have a lot of callers in
the field opening files with O_PATH and calling syncfs on them.
--
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-04-13 12:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-10 22:07 fsync() errors is unsafe and risks data loss Andres Freund
2018-04-11 21:52 ` Andreas Dilger
2018-04-12 0:09 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-12 2:32 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 2:51 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 5:09 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 5:45 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-12 11:24 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 21:11 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 10:19 ` Lukas Czerner
2018-04-12 19:46 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 2:17 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 3:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-12 11:09 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 11:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-12 12:01 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-12 15:08 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 22:44 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-13 13:18 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-13 13:25 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-13 14:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-14 1:47 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-14 2:04 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-18 23:59 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-19 0:23 ` Eric Sandeen
2018-04-14 2:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-19 0:13 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-19 0:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-19 1:08 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-19 17:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-19 23:27 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-19 23:28 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-12 15:16 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 20:13 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 20:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-12 21:14 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 21:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-13 12:56 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2018-04-12 21:21 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 21:24 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-12 21:37 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 20:24 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 21:27 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 21:53 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 21:57 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-21 18:14 ` Jan Kara
2018-04-12 5:34 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 19:55 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 21:52 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 22:03 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-18 18:09 ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-04-13 14:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-21 16:59 ` Jan Kara
[not found] <8da874c9-cf9c-d40a-3474-b773190878e7@commandprompt.com>
[not found] ` <20180410184356.GD3563@thunk.org>
2018-04-10 19:47 ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-04-18 16:52 ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-04-19 8:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-19 14:10 ` J. Bruce Fields
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