From: "NeilBrown" <neil@brown.name>
To: "Song Liu" <songliubraving@meta.com>
Cc: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 bpf-next 0/5] bpf path iterator
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 10:58:33 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <175210911389.2234665.8053137657588792026@noble.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <474C8D99-6946-4CFF-A925-157329879DA9@meta.com>
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025, Song Liu wrote:
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 2025, at 3:24 PM, NeilBrown <neil@brown.name> wrote:
> [...]
> >>
> >> How should the user handle -ECHILD without LOOKUP_RCU flag? Say the
> >> following code in landlocked:
> >>
> >> /* Try RCU walk first */
> >> err = vfs_walk_ancestors(path, ll_cb, data, LOOKUP_RCU);
> >>
> >> if (err == -ECHILD) {
> >> struct path walk_path = *path;
> >>
> >> /* reset any data changed by the walk */
> >> reset_data(data);
> >>
> >> /* now do ref-walk */
> >> err = vfs_walk_ancestors(&walk_path, ll_cb, data, 0);
> >> }
> >>
> >> Or do you mean vfs_walk_ancestors will never return -ECHILD?
> >> Then we need vfs_walk_ancestors to call reset_data logic, right?
> >
> > It isn't clear to me that vfs_walk_ancestors() needs to return anything.
> > All the communication happens through walk_cb()
> >
> > walk_cb() is called with a path, the data, and a "may_sleep" flag.
> > If it needs to sleep but may_sleep is not set, it returns "-ECHILD"
> > which causes the walk to restart and use refcounts.
> > If it wants to stop, it returns 0.
> > If it wants to continue, it returns 1.
> > If it wants a reference to the path then it can use (new)
> > vfs_legitimize_path() which might fail.
> > If it wants a reference to the path and may_sleep is true, it can use
> > path_get() which won't fail.
> >
> > When returning -ECHILD (either because of a need to sleep or because
> > vfs_legitimize_path() fails), walk_cb() would reset_data().
>
> This might actually work.
>
> My only concern is with vfs_legitimize_path. It is probably safer if
> we only allow taking references with may_sleep==true, so that path_get
> won’t fail. In this case, we will not need walk_cb() to call
> vfs_legitimize_path. If the user want a reference, the walk_cb will
> first return -ECHILD, and call path_get when may_sleep is true.
What is your concern with vfs_legitimize_path() ??
I've since realised that always restarting in response to -ECHILD isn't
necessary and isn't how normal path-walk works. Restarting might be
needed, but the first response to -ECHILD is to try legitimize_path().
If that succeeds, then it is safe to sleep.
So returning -ECHILD might just result in vfs_walk_ancestors() calling
legitimize_path() and then calling walk_cb() again. Why not have
walk_cb() do the vfs_legitimize_path() call (which will almost always
succeed in practice).
NeilBrown
>
> Does this make sense? Did I miss any cases?
>
> Thanks,
> Song
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-10 0:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-17 6:11 [PATCH v5 bpf-next 0/5] bpf path iterator Song Liu
2025-06-17 6:11 ` [PATCH v5 bpf-next 1/5] namei: Introduce new helper function path_walk_parent() Song Liu
2025-06-18 1:02 ` kernel test robot
2025-06-24 12:18 ` Jan Kara
2025-06-24 17:37 ` Song Liu
2025-06-25 10:30 ` Jan Kara
2025-07-04 17:40 ` Yonghong Song
2025-07-06 23:54 ` Song Liu
2025-07-07 17:53 ` Yonghong Song
2025-06-17 6:11 ` [PATCH v5 bpf-next 2/5] landlock: Use path_walk_parent() Song Liu
2025-07-03 18:29 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-07-03 22:27 ` Song Liu
2025-07-04 9:00 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-07-06 22:29 ` Song Liu
2025-07-07 10:28 ` Christian Brauner
2025-06-17 6:11 ` [PATCH v5 bpf-next 3/5] bpf: Introduce path iterator Song Liu
2025-06-17 6:11 ` [PATCH v5 bpf-next 4/5] selftests/bpf: Add tests for bpf " Song Liu
2025-06-17 6:11 ` [PATCH v5 bpf-next 5/5] selftests/bpf: Path walk test Song Liu
2025-06-20 21:59 ` [PATCH v5 bpf-next 0/5] bpf path iterator Song Liu
2025-06-24 18:45 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-06-24 21:38 ` NeilBrown
2025-06-25 13:14 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-06-25 23:04 ` NeilBrown
2025-06-25 23:17 ` Song Liu
2025-06-26 0:07 ` Tingmao Wang
2025-06-26 1:05 ` NeilBrown
2025-06-26 5:52 ` Song Liu
2025-06-26 9:43 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-06-26 14:49 ` Song Liu
2025-06-26 10:22 ` NeilBrown
2025-06-26 14:28 ` Song Liu
2025-06-26 22:51 ` NeilBrown
2025-06-27 0:21 ` Song Liu
2025-07-07 10:46 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-07 11:17 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-07 18:50 ` Song Liu
2025-07-09 16:06 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-07-09 17:31 ` Song Liu
2025-07-09 22:24 ` NeilBrown
2025-07-09 22:50 ` Song Liu
2025-07-10 0:58 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2025-07-10 6:28 ` Song Liu
2025-07-14 21:09 ` Song Liu
2025-07-24 17:35 ` Mickaël Salaün
2025-07-26 9:52 ` Song Liu
2025-07-09 22:14 ` NeilBrown
2025-07-09 22:41 ` Song Liu
2025-07-10 0:58 ` NeilBrown
2025-07-07 10:43 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-03 5:04 ` Song Liu
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