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From: "NeilBrown" <neil@brown.name>
To: "Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] VFS: introduce d_alloc_noblock() and d_alloc_locked()
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 12:07:42 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <175513726277.2234665.5395852687971371437@noble.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250813065333.GG222315@ZenIV>

On Wed, 13 Aug 2025, Al Viro wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 12:25:14PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > Several filesystems use the results of readdir to prime the dcache.
> > These filesystems use d_alloc_parallel() which can block if there is a
> > concurrent lookup.  Blocking in that case is pointless as the lookup
> > will add info to the dcache and there is no value in the readdir waiting
> > to see if it should add the info too.
> > 
> > Also these calls to d_alloc_parallel() are made while the parent
> > directory is locked.  A proposed change to locking will lock the parent
> > later, after d_alloc_parallel().  This means it won't be safe to wait in
> > d_alloc_parallel() while holding the directory lock.
> > 
> > So this patch introduces d_alloc_noblock() which doesn't block
> > but instead returns ERR_PTR(-EWOULDBLOCK).  Filesystems that prime the
> > dcache now use that and ignore -EWOULDBLOCK errors as harmless.
> > 
> > A few filesystems need more than -EWOULDBLOCK - they need to be able to
> > create the missing dentry within the readdir.  procfs is a good example
> > as the inode number is not known until the lookup completes, so readdir
> > must perform a full lookup.
> > 
> > For these filesystems d_alloc_locked() is provided.  It will return a
> > dentry which is already d_in_lookup() but will also lock it against
> > concurrent lookup.  The filesystem's ->lookup function must co-operate
> > by calling lock_lookup() before proceeding with the lookup.  This way we
> > can ensure exclusion between a lookup performed in ->iterate_shared and
> > a lookup performed in ->lookup.  Currently this exclusion is provided by
> > waiting in d_wait_lookup().  The proposed changed to dir locking will
> > mean that calling d_wait_lookup() (in readdir) while already holding
> > i_rwsem could deadlock.
> 
> The last one is playing fast and loose with one assertion that is used
> in quite a few places in correctness proofs - that the only thing other
> threads do to in-lookup dentries is waiting on them (and that - only
> in d_wait_lookup()).  I can't tell whether it will be a problem without
> seeing what you do in the users of that thing, but that creates an
> unpleasant areas to watch out for in the future ;-/

Yeah, it's not my favourite part of the series.

> 
> Which filesystems are those, aside of procfs?
> 

afs in afs_lookup_atsys().  While looking up a name that ends "@sys" it
need to look up the prefix with various alternate suffixes appended.
So this isn't readdir related, but is a lookup-within-a-lookup.

The use of d_add_ci() in xfs is the same basic pattern.

overlayfs does something in ovl_lookup_real_one() that I don't
understand yet but it seems to need a lookup while the directory is
locked. 

ovl_cache_update is in the ovl iterate_shared code (which in fact holds
an exclusive lock).  I think this is the same pattern as procfs in that
an inode number needs to be allocated at lookup time, but there might be
more too it.

So it is:
  procfs and overlayfs for lookup in readdir
  xfs and afs for nested lookup.

The only other approach I could come up with was to arrange some sort of
proxy-execution. i.e. instead of d_alloc_locked() provide a
  d_alloc_proxy()
which, if it found a d_in_lookup() dentry, would perform the ->lookup
itself with some sort of interlock with lookup_slow etc.
That would prevent the DCACHE_PAR_LOOKUP dentry leaking out, but would
be more intrusive and would affect the lookup path for filesystems which
didn't need it.

NeilBrown

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-14  2:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-12  2:25 [PATCH 00/11] VFS: prepare for changes to directory locking NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 01/11] VFS: discard err2 in filename_create() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  3:22   ` Al Viro
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 02/11] VFS: introduce dentry_lookup() and friends NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:12   ` Al Viro
2025-08-13  7:48     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 03/11] VFS: add dentry_lookup_killable() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:15   ` Al Viro
2025-08-13  7:50     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 04/11] VFS: introduce dentry_lookup_continue() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:22   ` Al Viro
2025-08-13  7:53     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-18 12:39   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-18 21:52     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-19  8:37       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 05/11] VFS: add rename_lookup() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:35   ` Al Viro
2025-08-13  8:04     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-14  1:40       ` Al Viro
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 06/11] VFS: unify old_mnt_idmap and new_mnt_idmap in renamedata NeilBrown
2025-08-13  4:36   ` Al Viro
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 07/11] VFS: Change vfs_mkdir() to unlock on failure NeilBrown
2025-08-13  7:22   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-14  1:13     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-14 13:29       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 08/11] VFS: allow d_splice_alias() and d_add() to work on hashed dentries NeilBrown
2025-08-13  5:07   ` Al Viro
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 09/11] VFS: use global wait-queue table for d_alloc_parallel() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  6:44   ` Al Viro
2025-08-14  1:31     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 10/11] VFS: use d_alloc_parallel() in lookup_one_qstr_excl() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  5:19   ` Al Viro
2025-08-14  0:56     ` NeilBrown
2025-08-12  2:25 ` [PATCH 11/11] VFS: introduce d_alloc_noblock() and d_alloc_locked() NeilBrown
2025-08-13  6:53   ` Al Viro
2025-08-14  2:07     ` NeilBrown [this message]
2025-08-14 13:47       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-08-13  0:01 ` [PATCH 00/11] VFS: prepare for changes to directory locking Al Viro

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