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From: "J. R. Okajima" <hooanon05@yahoo.co.jp>
To: Erez Zadok <ezk@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Valerie Aurora <val@vaaconsulting.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	"viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk" <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	"torvalds@linux-foundation.org" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"apw@canonical.com" <apw@canonical.com>,
	"nbd@openwrt.org" <nbd@openwrt.org>,
	"hramrach@centrum.cz" <hramrach@centrum.cz>,
	"jordipujolp@gmail.com" <jordipujolp@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] overlay filesystem: request for inclusion
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:07:19 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18299.1308193639@jrobl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B723B526-D658-4D22-A9CE-598444148B07@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>


Erez Zadok:
> ...  Asking =
> overlayfs or other stackable file systems to solve this multi-layer =
> coherency perfectly is somewhat ridiculous: we don't expect file systems =
> like ext3 to detect and correctly handle changes to lower devices =97 =
> i.e., if someone hand-edited direct blocks in /dev/sda1, do we?

I agree with you if we discuss about union-type-mount, which handles a
block device as its member. As long as the layered-fs handles a
directory (mounted filesystem) as its member, it is obviously right that
users expect the modification on the member fs (by-passing a union) is
available.

Of course I agree it brings complication to us, and I'd suggest three
level options to support this issue.
- detect the direct changes and reflect it to union (hardest option)
- skip the detection, but verify the parent-child relationship or more
  at least. (this is something like overlayfs is trying to do)
- skip both of the detection and verification (lowest option)
  this option depends how user sets up the union and its member. if user
  hides the members totally by over-mounting an empty dir on the member
  (or something), then he can specify this option. otherwise, this
  option is dangerous. also some symlinks may not work.
  # mkdir /hide
  # mount -o upper=/rw,lower=/ro none /union
  # mount -o bind /hide /rw
  # mount -o bind /hide /ro


J. R. Okajima

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-16  3:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20110609125114.8dff08da.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2011-06-10  6:57 ` Fw: Re: [PATCH 0/7] overlay filesystem: request for inclusion Valerie Aurora
2011-06-10  9:01   ` Alan Cox
2011-06-15 11:19     ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-15 14:32       ` J. R. Okajima
2011-06-15 15:49         ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-15 16:14           ` J. R. Okajima
2011-06-15 17:20             ` Michal Suchanek
2011-06-15 18:12               ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-16  2:43               ` J. R. Okajima
2011-06-16 10:35                 ` Michal Suchanek
2011-06-16 15:15                   ` J. R. Okajima
2011-06-17  7:38                     ` Michal Suchanek
2011-06-20  0:43                       ` J. R. Okajima
     [not found]         ` <803fd88dc28748428861b75afdee3575@HUBCAS1.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2011-06-16  0:44           ` Erez Zadok
2011-06-16  3:07             ` J. R. Okajima [this message]
2011-06-01 12:46 Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-08 22:32 ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-09  1:59   ` NeilBrown
2011-06-09  3:52     ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-09 12:47       ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-09 19:38         ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-09 19:49           ` Felix Fietkau
2011-06-09 22:02           ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-10  3:48             ` J. R. Okajima
2011-06-10  9:31               ` Francis Moreau
2011-06-16 18:27                 ` Ric Wheeler
2011-06-10 10:19               ` Michal Suchanek
2011-06-12  7:44                 ` J. R. Okajima
2011-06-13 18:48               ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-07-08 14:44                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-07-08 15:21                   ` Tomas M
2011-07-09 12:22                   ` J. R. Okajima
2011-07-15 12:33                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-07-15 13:02                       ` J. R. Okajima
2011-07-15 13:04                         ` J. R. Okajima
2011-07-15 13:07                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-07-15 13:33                           ` J. R. Okajima
2011-07-15 15:16                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-09 13:49       ` Andy Whitcroft
2011-06-09 19:32         ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-09 19:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-09 20:17             ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-09 22:58               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2011-06-11  2:39                 ` Greg KH
2011-06-12 20:51                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2011-06-10 11:51           ` Bernd Schubert
2011-06-10 12:45             ` Michal Suchanek
2011-06-10 12:54               ` Bernd Schubert
2011-06-09 13:57       ` Michal Suchanek
2011-06-09 13:57       ` Andy Whitcroft
2011-07-05 19:54   ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2011-07-08 12:57     ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-07-10  8:23       ` Ric Wheeler
2011-07-10 13:55         ` Sorin Faibish
2011-07-12 15:59           ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-07-10 11:16       ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2011-07-12 16:15         ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found] ` <4540f7aa16724111bd792a1d577261c2@HUBCAS1.cs.stonybrook.edu>
2011-06-16  6:51   ` Erez Zadok
2011-06-16  9:45     ` Michal Suchanek
2011-06-16 10:45     ` Jordi Pujol
2011-06-16 15:15     ` J. R. Okajima
2011-06-16 16:09       ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-16 22:59         ` J. R. Okajima
2011-07-08 14:40         ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-07-09 12:18           ` J. R. Okajima
2011-07-15 10:59             ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]     ` <b624059d70d546d4a4ecb940613235ab@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
     [not found]       ` <BF42D8D9-B947-448A-8818-BCA786E75325@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
2011-06-16 23:41         ` J. R. Okajima
     [not found]         ` <ab75a25c918145569b721dea9aea5506@HUBCAS2.cs.stonybrook.edu>
     [not found]           ` <BF19F4F8-9E0F-4983-87C1-BB1B0A11D011@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
2011-06-17  1:49             ` J. R. Okajima

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