From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: "Josef Bacik" <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
"Aquinas Admin" <admin@aquinas.su>,
"Malte Schröder" <malte.schroeder@tnxip.de>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Carl E. Thompson" <list-bcachefs@carlthompson.net>,
linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 10:02:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1935642.tdWV9SEqCh@lichtvoll.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <k6e6f3evjptze7ifjmrz2g5vhm4mdsrgm7dqo7jdatkde5pfvi@3oiymjvy6f3e>
Hi Kent, hi,
Kent Overstreet - 10.08.25, 05:17:44 CEST:
> I think you guys have been taking this a bit too far.
I am not sure who is right here. Or right to what extend.
And maybe that is not even the question.
But Kent, if your priority is the users of BCacheFS, look at the result:
The current result is a disservice to users.
Maybe even a huge one.
And likely a disservice to developers as well.
Is this result really what you like to achieve?
Cause if not, I can assure you that by doing the same thing over and over
and over again you will yield exactly the same result over and over and
over again. Just look at the past: This has been going in *predictable*
cycles.
If you go on to do the same thing over and over again that drives off
people, then that is exactly the result you will be receiving.
So if you do not adapt your behavior and do something *different* next
time… *whether you like it or not* (!) you need to wait until someone else
does. And that "until" may never happen. You can only influence what you
do. So do you like to continue to give the power to change something in
here to someone else by blaming everyone but you? That would be a lot of
wasted energy.
You are not going to change the dynamics of power within the kernel
development community by what you have been doing all the time.
Of course this goes the other way around as well: As long as people try to
change each other in here, this is not going anywhere. The only change you
can affect is a change within yourself.
So maybe take a while off mail, breathe deeply and meditate or do whatever
helps you to see what within you contributes to the result we see here. I
will do the same.
All in all again I point out: This cannot by solved by writing mails. You
need to *speak* to each other.
Enough already.
Best,
--
Martin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-10 8:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-28 15:14 [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17 Kent Overstreet
2025-08-05 21:19 ` Malte Schröder
2025-08-05 22:41 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-07 12:42 ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-09 17:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 19:21 ` Josef Bacik
2025-08-09 20:37 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 21:34 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 2:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-10 3:17 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 4:05 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-10 4:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 4:26 ` Gerald B. Cox
2025-08-10 5:17 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 5:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-08-10 6:51 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-10 10:22 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11 15:48 ` Peanut gallery 2c James Lawrence
2025-08-11 16:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 17:00 ` James Lawrence
[not found] ` <aJsIOj6jbPKayO0s@mayhem.fritz.box>
2025-08-12 16:26 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 16:48 ` [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17 Aquinas Admin
2025-08-10 8:02 ` Martin Steigerwald [this message]
2025-08-10 6:05 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 16:02 ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-11 16:09 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-09 23:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-09 23:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 7:49 ` Jani Partanen
2025-08-12 10:09 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11 9:51 ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2025-08-11 14:26 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 18:13 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 18:40 ` Malte Schröder
2025-08-12 0:44 ` Carl E. Thompson
2025-08-11 18:48 ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-11 19:42 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-11 21:04 ` Konstantin Shelekhin
2025-08-12 1:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 6:52 ` asdx
2025-08-12 7:04 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 7:17 ` asdx
2025-08-12 19:35 ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:03 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:30 ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:38 ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:45 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-12 20:54 ` Keith Busch
2025-08-12 20:57 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-08-11 16:45 ` Aquinas Admin
2025-08-10 4:29 ` Gerhard Wiesinger
2025-08-07 14:27 ` Martin Steigerwald
2025-08-07 17:29 ` Peter Schneider
2025-08-10 6:20 ` Gerhard Wiesinger
2025-08-10 10:32 ` Martin Steigerwald
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