From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Martin Steigerwald Subject: Re: xfs: does mkfs.xfs require fancy switches to get decent performance? (was Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync?) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:25:38 +0200 Message-ID: <19913589.2sLSAqIcyD@merkaba> References: <1804876.U7q4ey1Nv3@merkaba> <5553A805.5090601@phunq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: David Lang , Theodore Ts'o , Howard Chu , Dave Chinner , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mike Galbraith , Pavel Machek , tux3@tux3.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, OGAWA Hirofumi To: Daniel Phillips Return-path: In-Reply-To: <5553A805.5090601@phunq.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org Am Mittwoch, 13. Mai 2015, 12:37:41 schrieb Daniel Phillips: > On 05/13/2015 12:09 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Daniel, what are you trying to achieve here? > >=20 > > I thought you wanted to create interest for your filesystem and > > acceptance for merging it. > >=20 > > What I see you are actually creating tough is something different. > >=20 > > Is what you see after you send your mails really what you want to s= ee? > > If > > not=E2=80=A6 why not? And if you seek change, where can you create = change? >=20 > That is the question indeed, whether to try and change the system > while merging, or just keep smiling and get the job done. The problem > is, I am just too stupid to realize that I can't change the system, > which is famously unpleasant for submitters. >=20 > > I really like to see Tux3 inside the kernel for easier testing, yet= I > > also see that the way you, in your oppinion, "defend" it, does not = seem > > to move that goal any closer, quite the opposite. It triggers polar= ity > > and resistance. > >=20 > > I believe it to be more productive to work together with the people= who > > will decide about what goes into the kernel and the people whose > > oppinions are respected by them, instead of against them. >=20 > Obviously true. >=20 > > "Assume good faith" can help here. No amount of accusing people of = bad > > intention will change them. The only thing you have the power to ch= ange > > is your approach. You absolutely and ultimately do not have the pow= er > > to change other people. You can=C2=B4t force Tux3 in by sheer willp= ower or > > attacking people. > >=20 > > On any account for anyone discussing here: I believe that any perso= nal > > attacks, counter-attacks or "you are wrong" kind of speech will not= help > > to move this discussion out of the circling it seems to be in at th= e > > moment. > Thanks for the sane commentary. I have the power to change my behavio= r. > But if nobody else changes their behavior, the process remains just a= s > unpleasant for us as it ever was (not just me!). Obviously, this is > not the first time I have been through this, and it has never been > pleasant. After a while, contributors just get tired of the grind and > move on to something more fun. I know I did, and I am far from the > only one. Daniel, if you want to change the process of patch review and inclusion= into=20 the kernel, model an example of how you would like it to be. This has w= ay=20 better chances to inspire others to change their behaviors themselves t= han=20 accusing them of bad faith. Its yours to choose.=20 What outcome do you want to create? --=20 Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7